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Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: Chancey] #8170986
07/11/24 11:27 PM
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Call Israel out on what? I'm interested.

Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: Chancey] #8171004
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Posco,

Most of the congressman and senators in our government have been bought out by a foreign country that has ties to this country. That country is Israel.

Jesus Christ said that many will call themselves Jews, but they are not Jews.

Many in our government claim a Jewish faith. You can see them here below...

Jewish Members of the 118th Congress

Many of the people in Biden's administration claim a Jewish heritage as well. You can see them here below as well.....

Jewish members in the Biden administration

I know that correlation does not mean causation, but it sure as heck convincingly implies it on occasion.

To find out how our politicians are influenced by money, you can take a look at this website below. It is called Track AIPAC. It keeps count of money that both D and R receive from a lobbyist group.

Here is a link to the Senate AIPAC influencers below......

Track AIPAC Senate


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Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: Wild_WI] #8171005
07/12/24 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Wild_WI
Here we go, we have tried with these conversations before which mostly start out civil, but there are a few whose beliefs will not allow questioning or descenting opinions to be raised. It reminds me of our current civil and political climates. Our forefathers had more grace and understanding than some folks here and alot of those couldn't even read.


It's pretty simple. Just don't read or dwell on any post you deem "uncivil". If you raise a dissenting opinion, you can't expect people to just instantly convert to your way of thinking. There will be an argument.

Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: KeithC] #8171008
07/12/24 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by Chancey
So, we all know that evil is in us all. We all got it is Genesis 3 with the fall. Since then, we have all been dealing with the Gen 3 curse.
now.


I don't believe in original sin. Making someone feel bad about themselves makes them easy to control. The main use of organized religion is to control people.

I would never love or worship a god who holds an ancient misdeed against newly born babies, who took no part in it. A god that does that would be indeed evil and not worthy of respect.

Keith


That's a fair and good point Keith. I always like your take on things.


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Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: Chancey] #8171011
07/12/24 01:10 AM
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So KeithC has decided like so many others before and after him to be his own god defining and crafting it after his own means.

The very definition of "ye shall be like unto gods" as spoken by the serpent.


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Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: Chancey] #8171012
07/12/24 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Chancey
Posco,

Most of the congressman and senators in our government have been bought out by a foreign country that has ties to this country. That country is Israel.

Jesus Christ said that many will call themselves Jews, but they are not Jews.

Many in our government claim a Jewish faith. You can see them here below...

Jewish Members of the 118th Congress

Many of the people in Biden's administration claim a Jewish heritage as well. You can see them here below as well.....

Jewish members in the Biden administration

I know that correlation does not mean causation, but it sure as heck convincingly implies it on occasion.

To find out how our politicians are influenced by money, you can take a look at this website below. It is called Track AIPAC. It keeps count of money that both D and R receive from a lobbyist group.

Here is a link to the Senate AIPAC influencers below......

Track AIPAC Senate


Now you might be getting somewhere but you're still lost in the weeds of equating an ethnicity or faith with nothing more or less than a monetary power play.

You're letting bigotry destroy a legitimate point or the point is just corollary to your bigotry, which is it?


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Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: Chancey] #8171015
07/12/24 01:40 AM
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Why do you think I am a bigot?


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Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: warrior] #8171016
07/12/24 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by warrior
So KeithC has decided like so many others before and after him to be his own god defining and crafting it after his own means.

The very definition of "ye shall be like unto gods" as spoken by the serpent.


I am surprised that what I believe and typed would make you think I have decided to be my own god. I see nothing in what I typed to make anyone infer that.

I've stated many times on here that I believe in God. I don't believe God is petty, vindictive and has the faults of an immature human. God is greater than that. I believe God is good.

Why would anyone worship anything so flawed as to hold the innocent guilty for the sins of ancestors from the extreme, remote past? That seems more like a false belief, promoted by Satan, to separate mankind from God or rulers who want to control their subjects.

Keith

Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: Chancey] #8171018
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Keith,
Most of his posts on this thread I can't even comprehend. I don't understand the attacks.
Reminds me of John 18:23


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Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: KeithC] #8171021
07/12/24 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by warrior
So KeithC has decided like so many others before and after him to be his own god defining and crafting it after his own means.

The very definition of "ye shall be like unto gods" as spoken by the serpent.


I am surprised that what I believe and typed would make you think I have decided to be my own god. I see nothing in what I typed to make anyone infer that.

I've stated many times on here that I believe in God. I don't believe God is petty, vindictive and has the faults of an immature human. God is greater than that. I believe God is good.

Why would anyone worship anything so flawed as to hold the innocent guilty for the sins of ancestors from the extreme, remote past? That seems more like a false belief, promoted by Satan, to separate mankind from God or rulers who want to control their subjects.

Keith


Define your own god accordingly to your own concepts. Next you'll be telling us that you can't define what a woman is.

Scripture is inerrant in the detail and the whole or not at all.


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Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: Chancey] #8171025
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Man, you sure know how to ruin a good thread.


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Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: Chancey] #8171029
07/12/24 02:13 AM
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Warrior why do you believe God is petty, vindictive and wanting to punish people?

I've never understood why Baptists fear God, instead of loving God.

I love and am thankful to God. I think God is amazing. I don't fear God because I believe God is good. I try to act as I believe God wants be to act because I am grateful, not because I fear his wrath.

God made us in his image. God gave us free will and the intellect to understand right and wrong, hoping we would choose right. God would not keep the threat of punishment over us, since we are made in his image.

I don't believe that most of the Bible is a divine revelation from God. If you read it, you can see it's imperfect and created by men.

As a believer, I'm sure you're familiar with the "Our Father" Jesus taught his disciples and the words he said leading up to it.

"Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy Will be done,
on earth as it is in Heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.

It does not sound like a prayer you would make to a cruel God of vengeance, but to a loving God, who sees you as his beloved children.

Keith

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Warrior, we view God very differently. I view God as a loving Father, who made us and many amazing thinks for us to learn, experience and enjoy, with some hardships to build us to be more like him.

You seem to view God as an abusive, tyrannical Father, quick to punish all that don't do exactly as he wishes.

Keith

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God is a loving God. Loved us enough that he did not spare His own Son.

If he wouldn't spare Christ from the cross you want to think he would hold us to a different standard?


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Our Father?

You mean when Jesus taught us how to pray.

It's not a nursery rhyme get out of jail free card.

Thy will be done, as it is in heaven.

You think the heavenly host are going hey wait a minute there, God, we think You might be mistaken?


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Originally Posted by warrior
Our Father?

You mean when Jesus taught us how to pray.

It's not a nursery rhyme get out of jail free card.

Thy will be done, as it is in heaven.

You think the heavenly host are going hey wait a minute there, God, we think You might be mistaken?


You missed my point again. You're motivation for behaving the way you believe God wants appears to be fear of punishment. My motivation to behave is because I love and am grateful to God.

Do you fear God or love him?

Do you want to please God, or just try to avoid God's punishment?

Keith

Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: KeithC] #8171043
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by warrior
Our Father?

You mean when Jesus taught us how to pray.

It's not a nursery rhyme get out of jail free card.

Thy will be done, as it is in heaven.

You think the heavenly host are going hey wait a minute there, God, we think You might be mistaken?


You missed my point again. You're motivation for behaving the way you believe God wants appears to be fear of punishment. My motivation to behave is because I love and am grateful to God.

Do you fear God or love him?

Do you want to please God, or just try to avoid God's punishment?

Keith


The answer is or should be, both. It's much the same as a relationship with a human father and son.

You're 10 years old, at school and some kid you never liked is bragging and showing off his new pocket knife he got for Christmas. At recess that day he gets distracted and sets down his knife and you swipe it. Unfortunately for you, someone seen you and after recess the teacher calls you out, takes the knife from you and sends you home. You have to explain to your mom why you're home early, and her response is "Just wait til your dad gets home."

Now, you're afraid of when your dad gets home because you know you did wrong, and you're gonna get your butt beat. But you're also afraid because you know that you've disappointed your dad and you love him and didn't want to let him down. When he does get home, you do get your butt beat, but you still know that your dad loves you and would do anything for you. The next time the thought crosses your mind to steal, you consider the butt beating but you also consider the fear of disappointing your dad because you love him.

The Bible talks repeatedly of fearing God. You say you don't believe the Bible is the divine word of God, so I imagine that's where your confusion is coming from. You're trying to mold God to fit YOUR beliefs.

So to answer the question, yes and yes... I love and fear God.


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Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: Chancey] #8171046
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i could never set one of my kids on fire

thats the act of a sadist

and its evil

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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Chancey
Posco,

Most of the congressman and senators in our government have been bought out by a foreign country that has ties to this country. That country is Israel.

Jesus Christ said that many will call themselves Jews, but they are not Jews.

Many in our government claim a Jewish faith. You can see them here below...

Jewish Members of the 118th Congress

Many of the people in Biden's administration claim a Jewish heritage as well. You can see them here below as well.....

Jewish members in the Biden administration

I know that correlation does not mean causation, but it sure as heck convincingly implies it on occasion.

To find out how our politicians are influenced by money, you can take a look at this website below. It is called Track AIPAC. It keeps count of money that both D and R receive from a lobbyist group.

Here is a link to the Senate AIPAC influencers below......

Track AIPAC Senate


Now you might be getting somewhere but you're still lost in the weeds of equating an ethnicity or faith with nothing more or less than a monetary power play.

You're letting bigotry destroy a legitimate point or the point is just corollary to your bigotry, which is it?

Who is the accuser?


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Re: Evil - Religious thread [Re: Foxpaw] #8171115
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
Scratch, scratch, I'm gettin the itch, lol.

I'll take the advice that a dad give to his kid that stuttered. Now son slow down and count to ten before you speak, lol.


A guy and his son went down to the hog lot to cut wood on one crispy morning. The lady of the house fixed them a nice lunch, which when they got to the hog lot the guy set the lunch on a stump from their previous cutting. They was sawing away with the 2 man crosscut saw. When all of a sudden the boy let go of his end of the saw and said uh! uh! uh! uh! The father said now son slow down and count to ten before you try to talk.


The boy calmly said 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. The sow just ate our lunch.

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