Re: trump shot at during rally
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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07/13/24 08:35 PM
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I've worked with the Secret Service doing presidential protection support, and I have nothing but respect for those folks. They have a tremendous responsibility. As do I ...however...this is a MAJOR FAILURE on the part of the Secret Service...it is inexcusable to NOT have all elevated areas within 400 yards or more secured by Secret Service or law enforcement. I've been to rallies in rural areas and EVERY elevated area within 5-600 yards or so was visibly occupied by SS or law enforcement. Not to mention drones flying overhead. This was complete incompetence....and it cost at least one innocent person their life
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Re: trump shot at during rally
[Re: Steven 49er]
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07/13/24 08:37 PM
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Generally suppressed rounds are very poor choices for an assassination outside of point blank range. Suppressed rounds are velocity limited <950fps so have very poor trajectories and require heavy for caliber projectiles to gain ft/lbs.
Militarily they are better suited for dousing lights and dog/sentry takedown after slipping in close. If you are speaking of suppressed rifle rounds this is incorrect. He has no clue. I shoot thousands of supersonic rounds suppressed every year. Rifle and pistol.
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Re: trump shot at during rally
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A report out there that DJT was also hit in the right chest but his vest stopped the slug's penetration. Watching the video, I thought something hit his suit before he grabbed for his ear but I thought it was upper arm/shoulder area. We'll see if the report holds.
If true, probably that round wasn't from a larger high powered rifle. Someone told me he thought a .22 mag or .17 HMR. The recovery of the slug that killed the rally goer behind the podium because pretty important, if its recoverable.
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Re: trump shot at during rally
[Re: lady123]
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Amazing how much security came out of the woodwork in a short time they were everywhere.
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Re: trump shot at during rally
[Re: Ltrman]
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I've worked with the Secret Service doing presidential protection support, and I have nothing but respect for those folks. They have a tremendous responsibility. As do I ...however...this is a MAJOR FAILURE on the part of the Secret Service...it is inexcusable to NOT have all elevated areas within 400 yards or more secured by Secret Service or law enforcement. I've been to rallies in rural areas and EVERY elevated area within 5-600 yards or so was visibly occupied by SS or law enforcement. Not to mention drones flying overhead. This was complete incompetence....and it cost at least one innocent person their life That could be true, but at this point, you don't know what you don't know.
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Re: trump shot at during rally
[Re: Ltrman]
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07/13/24 08:48 PM
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I've worked with the Secret Service doing presidential protection support, and I have nothing but respect for those folks. They have a tremendous responsibility. As do I ...however...this is a MAJOR FAILURE on the part of the Secret Service...it is inexcusable to NOT have all elevated areas within 400 yards or more secured by Secret Service or law enforcement. I've been to rallies in rural areas and EVERY elevated area within 5-600 yards or so was visibly occupied by SS or law enforcement. Not to mention drones flying overhead. This was complete incompetence....and it cost at least one innocent person their life True. I've been on-site with Obama and Hilary both present. Every roof was manned even though all were within a 300 acre secure fenced facility and all participants were inside and out of sight. Even a loose pit bull on the other side of property was enough to get me called. I was screened in early and there for the duration.
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Re: trump shot at during rally
[Re: lady123]
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On that link Steven posted, they're saying that Trump has been repeatedly asking for more Secret Service protection and was repeatedly denied by the Biden admin.
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Re: trump shot at during rally
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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On that link Steven posted, they're saying that Trump has been repeatedly asking for more Secret Service protection and was repeatedly denied by the Biden admin. Those would be some intresting documents to have turn up.
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Re: trump shot at during rally
[Re: lady123]
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K, I've been doing a little piecing things together based on media reports. First, the X is roughly where the podium was, O the rooftop where the reported shooter was and the triangle where the secret service sniper that returned fire was. Next, the rough Google earth distance. Roughly 140-150 yards.
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