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Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172537
07/13/24 09:22 PM
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My only interaction with the secret service was a lady agent tracking down a counterfeiter. Just a stop and ask have you seen this guy and what can you tell me about him.

My impression, very professional and not to be messed with.


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Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: Bigbrownie] #8172543
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Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
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Red line is where podium was set up between grandstands. Not sure of which AGI building. It’s a fairly big complex. My guess it was 400+ yards.

Talked to my Brother in law who was there. Podium wasn’t by grandstands, it was by the livestock barns, Much closer, maybe 200 yards if that.

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Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: Paul Dobbins] #8172544
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
I've worked with the Secret Service doing presidential protection support, and I have nothing but respect for those folks. They have a tremendous responsibility.

As do I ...however...this is a MAJOR FAILURE on the part of the Secret Service...it is inexcusable to NOT have all elevated areas within 400 yards or more secured by Secret Service or law enforcement. I've been to rallies in rural areas and EVERY elevated area within 5-600 yards or so was visibly occupied by SS or law enforcement. Not to mention drones flying overhead. This was complete incompetence....and it cost at least one innocent person their life

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Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172546
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This country’s cruising for a good old fashioned dust up.

And it my be just what we need.

Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172548
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Per Onx, from the middle of the three building to main street is 233 yds

Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: Steven 49er] #8172549
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
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Generally suppressed rounds are very poor choices for an assassination outside of point blank range. Suppressed rounds are velocity limited <950fps so have very poor trajectories and require heavy for caliber projectiles to gain ft/lbs.

Militarily they are better suited for dousing lights and dog/sentry takedown after slipping in close.


If you are speaking of suppressed rifle rounds this is incorrect.


He has no clue. I shoot thousands of supersonic rounds suppressed every year. Rifle and pistol.

Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172551
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A report out there that DJT was also hit in the right chest but his vest stopped the slug's penetration. Watching the video, I thought something hit his suit before he grabbed for his ear but I thought it was upper arm/shoulder area. We'll see if the report holds.

If true, probably that round wasn't from a larger high powered rifle. Someone told me he thought a .22 mag or .17 HMR. The recovery of the slug that killed the rally goer behind the podium because pretty important, if its recoverable.


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Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172556
07/13/24 09:41 PM
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Amazing how much security came out of the woodwork in a short time they were everywhere.


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Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: Ltrman] #8172558
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Originally Posted by Ltrman
Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
I've worked with the Secret Service doing presidential protection support, and I have nothing but respect for those folks. They have a tremendous responsibility.

As do I ...however...this is a MAJOR FAILURE on the part of the Secret Service...it is inexcusable to NOT have all elevated areas within 400 yards or more secured by Secret Service or law enforcement. I've been to rallies in rural areas and EVERY elevated area within 5-600 yards or so was visibly occupied by SS or law enforcement. Not to mention drones flying overhead. This was complete incompetence....and it cost at least one innocent person their life


That could be true, but at this point, you don't know what you don't know.



Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172560
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Stupid how people want to assente people like him, he's a great president.


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Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: Ltrman] #8172564
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Originally Posted by Ltrman
Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
I've worked with the Secret Service doing presidential protection support, and I have nothing but respect for those folks. They have a tremendous responsibility.

As do I ...however...this is a MAJOR FAILURE on the part of the Secret Service...it is inexcusable to NOT have all elevated areas within 400 yards or more secured by Secret Service or law enforcement. I've been to rallies in rural areas and EVERY elevated area within 5-600 yards or so was visibly occupied by SS or law enforcement. Not to mention drones flying overhead. This was complete incompetence....and it cost at least one innocent person their life


True. I've been on-site with Obama and Hilary both present. Every roof was manned even though all were within a 300 acre secure fenced facility and all participants were inside and out of sight.

Even a loose pit bull on the other side of property was enough to get me called. I was screened in early and there for the duration.


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Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172565
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Someone may have thought it was VP Harris. So much confusion these days on who is who

Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172566
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The dog was part of their plan, they just wanted u were there could keep an eye on you. Don't let them play u like that next time...

Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172567
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On that link Steven posted, they're saying that Trump has been repeatedly asking for more Secret Service protection and was repeatedly denied by the Biden admin.

Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: yotetrapper30] #8172569
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
On that link Steven posted, they're saying that Trump has been repeatedly asking for more Secret Service protection and was repeatedly denied by the Biden admin.

Those would be some intresting documents to have turn up.

Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172571
07/13/24 09:54 PM
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K, I've been doing a little piecing things together based on media reports.

First, the X is roughly where the podium was, O the rooftop where the reported shooter was and the triangle where the secret service sniper that returned fire was.

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Next, the rough Google earth distance.

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Roughly 140-150 yards.


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Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172573
07/13/24 09:55 PM
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Which raises the question, why in the hadn't that rooftop already been secured?


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Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172577
07/13/24 10:02 PM
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Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172579
07/13/24 10:03 PM
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Even more questions. Looks like they were already in the gun prior to the shots being fired at Trump.

If so what were they waiting for?


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Re: trump shot at during rally [Re: lady123] #8172580
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"get my shoes"; classic.
Sad a bystander got killed.


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