OK, ya'll have me interested big time.

I want to know what every person that has posted on this thread believes as far as Israel and the return of the King. I really would appreciate your input because I am struggling with this big time.

To start, I will tell you what I have believed my whole life regarding this because it was the way I was raised and also seems to follow with what I read in the Bible.........

Jesus Christ is going to return and will sit atop his throne in Jerusalem. In order for that to happen, then the 3rd Temple must be built. But when the 3rd Temple is built, there will be an abomination of desolation in it as mentioned in Matthew in reference to Daniel. So in order for Him to return and sit upon His throne, then perhaps a 4th Temple must be built? I really don't know?

My point is, if Jesus Christ is going to return and rule as King, then He has to have a throne in Jerusalem. Thus, this is why Canaan is important. That is what I was taught and how I was raised. This is why I think the OT is utterly important; particularly Leviticus because it sets the rules from God All Mighty on how things are supposed to happen.....

However, I am open minded and some people I respect on here have broadened my horizons. So which is it? Will Jesus return and sit on His throne in Jerusalem at some point?

You don't even believe the Bible is the infallible word of God, how is
any of us fallin men going to convince you of any thing?.. that's the question you've got to answer.
In all of your 20 some years you think you've got all figured out... you haven't, life will teach you things if you're receptive to them.

First mash now me, see your in a wonderful mood tonight

But anyhow if I thought I had it all figured out why would I be on here asking these questions constantly giving y'all the constant opportunity to make me look stupid and talk down to me like I'm 5? Like seriously I'm.not the sharpest tool in the shed but that logic don't seem to logic to me. Wouldn't I be smugly making comments and talking about how smart i am or something?

Something to ponder:
https://www.christalmighty.net/2020/04/temple.html?m=1
Dispensation theology started in the 1830s. For some reason it's now the dominant view.
Hey I don't know, but when I read about the events around 70 to 100 AD, they sure fulfilled a lot of prophecies and Jesus said " this generation. "

Yeah, my tolerance for ignorance is short, my apologies.. You yourself If my memory is correct said that you don’t believe the Bible is the infallible word of God… and that it’s a collaboration of men’s words? Am I correct in that statement or am I wrong? And if I’m not wrong why would you come on here and ask such a question? How are those that believe in that book being the infallible word of God suppose to answer you without rebuttal? Your question is bated..

......so your upset that I'm asking questions that challenge my beliefs ( and get clarification), to could very well be wrong ? Along with responding ..... am I supposed to just not question my thoughts and beliefs and go though life thinking I'm right about everything? Because that honestly doesn't sound like a very intelligent thing to do. And maybe I'm just really dumb here ( like I've said multiple times , I'm not the brightest) but I can't really see how my question was baited....or even like ... I'm honestly very confused at that

There are many more laws for Jewish people than the 10 Commandments most Christians are familiar with. There are 613 mitzvahs Jewish people are supposed to follow. I read them all a few years ago. Around 60% are things they are forbidden to do and the rest are things they are supposed to do. Most made sense at the time they were first written. Some were based on ludicrous superstitions.

The Muslims share many of the same rules, that they have to follow. The Muslims call them hadiths and they make up a large part of Sharia law. They have a great many more ludicrous rules. The Muslims are supposed to be scared of and react to many nearly daily events and and animals, that they believe are supernatural. Their sanitation rules are mostly moronic.

Keith

Chancey, I am not smart enough to figure it out. A lot of prophecy seems to have been fulfilled in past events. I also think about the fact that our bodies are a third temple post resurrection/pentecost. What if the beast inside of the third temple is AI or some sort of transhumanism to come within us? I believe that we are near the point of fulfillment of the Godlessness in the last days outlined in 2 Timothy 3 so I suspect we may find out at some point within the next couple generations.

Wolfie, I think its good to seek answers that challenge preconceived notions. I know from experience its frustrating when you bring a new idea up to someone and they are so afraid to challenge their view that they cant even form an intelligent argument or have a conversation about the subject as it related to their previous ideas. As for your question, several on here have given my views. Jesus actually tightened the ratchet on the Mosaic laws found in the Old Testament. This was because men had largely missed the point of them. The laws were given to guide our hearts towards God and his will, but instead man weaponized them against each other.

The New Testament actually has more rules than the Old Testament. 727 in the New Testament versus 613 in the Old Testament. Not an expert just a random thought.

there is nothing dumb about asking questions that is how we learn I think it is a good idea to look at things from different angles keep asking questions.

I’ve found Dennis Pragers Rational bible books great for helping me understand the Old Testament

You should also encourage your children and grandchildren to listen to his weekly fireside chat on YouTube

MARK 1:14-15
Notice in vs 15, Jesus say the Kingdom of God is at hand,
This means within arms reach.
The time is fulfilled.
Jesus will shortly be fulfilling prophesy of the coming kingdom.
Repent ye,
Turn to our Saviour the king of heaven and earth.
On earth as it is in Heaven.
And believe the gospel.
The good news that our redeemer is hear.

I think one caveat that the Jews have is that the Anti-Christ will be Jewish origin. Many reason Dan being a snake and Dan nor Ephraim will be in the 144,000, so it seems reasonable to me. Now we know the Jews are legal inclined. So since they don't believe the Savior has came yet they will set up a legal system that falls right back into a type of the Solomon one. That Jehoiakim line was cut off. He may have repented and still had children but not to sit on the throne. Since the Jews don't believe Jesus came it would be hard for them to fathom the kingship taken from Solomon. God upheld the curse and stopped that line to the throne cold. That is another reason why the virgin birth is so important. Even with Joseph of Jacob adopting Jesus from that sense the legality of that line was cut off. The legality of Joseph of Heli adopting Jesus would be legal. Not only was Joseph the son in law of Heli but since the Jews had a thing about male heirs he was also adopted. The lineage of Mary does not stop with Abraham , but goes all the way back to Adam.
We have to remember that in all the confusion of who is in legal authority that David is a starting place. Also in ref to the lessor and greater key of Solomon, I found this on Google: In the star of Solomon, it is often depicted in the shape of either a pentagram or a hexagram. In mystic Islamic and Jewish lore, the ring is variously described as having given Solomon the power to command the supernatural, including shedim and jinn, and also the ability to speak with animals.

In the mean time in the politics of religion we will be seeing jockeying for legal position, and when the pot really starts to boil the Jews will start being saved at a much grander scale than the trickle they have in the past. Hopefully there won't be many of us sitting in a nearly empty church building wondering where everyone is at, lol.

Just do what the Bible says

The eschatological timeline of of the Revelation is a huge factor in your understanding of the kingdom of God.
My belief is John received the Revolation on the island patmos before 70 ad .
And that The Revolation to the 7 churches was a warning of the coming distruction in 70 ad. In this case there is strong internal evidence of this being so. Meaning in the word. Also much historical evidence such as Jocephus writings. This was also the understanding of most of the church until Darby and Scofield influence. John and Peter were the two Apostles present with Jesus at the Olivete discourse.
Read Mark ch 1
Matthew, Mark, and Luke are known for having a version of the discourse.
But of the for gospels John's version, the Revelation is not generally recognized as the Olivete discourse.
But John was present for it and if was not recorded in his gospel.
I believe the Olivete discourse is speaking of the kingdom of God, the coming distruction of the temple 70AD. And the final throne judgment.

read revelation chapter 21new heaven new earth and a new JERUSALEM. I WOULD ASSUME THE THRONE OF GOD would be located in it.

You have to know what it says before you can do it. Even then doing gets much easier with practice. I know many college graduates that knows what the book says, (particularly mechanics) but still can't do anything. Many can wade in water up their ankles, and then up to their knees , then up to their waist and then if you don't know how to swim, you may be put into a place you have to learn. If its not in your nature to go up stream to see where that water is coming from you will never know the fullness of that stream. Dead fish can only float downstream, only live fish swim up stream!

We only want to give God a trickle of our time and resources and yet expect Him to pour out a blessing at our every request. Study Gods' words, eat it and digest it.

I agree, everything is maid new.
My belief this is after the final throne judgment.

You make a good point Foxpaw.

I do appreciate the innocence of the young ambitious trapper- yung Christian.

Northern tropp O, yes we should follow what the Bible says. One think we are told to do is to lovingly edify one another.