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Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8180650
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Lot of good food for thought here. I trap the same area most years and the same spots. Some of these same spots I test lures in almost year around. I might need to mix it up some.

Yes Sir when you are putting out test sites, the ones that get hit do you find that when you go back to that area to check sign do you notice coyote tracks will continue to swing by that site for a a couple months.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Slipknot] #8180674
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Originally Posted by Slipknot
Originally Posted by Yes sir
Lot of good food for thought here. I trap the same area most years and the same spots. Some of these same spots I test lures in almost year around. I might need to mix it up some.

Yes Sir when you are putting out test sites, the ones that get hit do you find that when you go back to that area to check sign do you notice coyote tracks will continue to swing by that site for a a couple months.

For me we have such a good population of coyotes and my test location are such good locations there going to be coyotes on those locations regardless if there was any lures or baits there previously. So it's hard to say.
With that said my coyotes lose intrest in something pretty quick. One or two visits and they usually don't have much direct attraction from there on out. But I can come back again with same stuff in say a month and the freshness of it generally gets their attention again.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8180701
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Originally Posted by Spike369

So what do you do to catch coyotes during that time?



They’re not “unkillable”. But they’re probably not gonna fall to the wham bam thank you ma’am tactics.


Whenever I’m faced with “tough” coyotes I seem to always revert back to subtle, less is more tactics.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8180711
07/24/24 07:19 PM
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We have good coyote #s here in KS and if you know what ur looking for you can get into some down right silly numbers of coyotes. But not all of them are stupid and there's some things that don't seem to work very well for me that in other areas trappers seem to be able to make work. One is bringing a new object to a set, just doesn't work for me. Drag a log over 50 foot to make a set by it and your going to get more referrals. Even bones like tee bones and skulls seem to spook more than they catch. Another is trap bedding. Waxed soil doesn't seem work well here and if you cover your traps with too light of a covering your going to have problems.

We have a lot of coyotes because we have a lot of food for them and I think it can sometimes make them less aggressive to a set than say somewhere that finding food is a problem.

I also believe because of the numbers we have and availability of food our coyotes can have a smaller home range which means if your on a good location they are going to find your set in a day or two. Which for the dumb ones that's great but the spooky ones will find that set pretty regularly while there's still a lot of human scent concentrated there and therfore might not ever work that set as they see it as danger from there forward.

I do a lot of testing and 95% of my first digging at a set will be day 3 or 4. Way to high of a percentage to be coincidence as some have told me. And I've seen on camera plenty find the set in first day or two but not work it hard. I believe it's because the human scent level is above there tolerance level for the first day or two. That being said I catch a lot of first night coyotes but by watching them on video they come in pretty spooky and if they didn't get caught it would probably be come in for a quick smell then bolt.

Had a guy come to my county a couple years ago so I know exactly what kind of population he was trapping. He would make some trapping videos on YouTube and he looked like he could catch some coyotes where he lived. He came here for a week and caught 3 coyotes. I think I took 13 within a half mile of my house in two week that year. They are here if you know a little about what your doing but can still humble you if you ain't got it down pat even in my part of Ks

Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8180776
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According to this thread I’ve got a whole heap more coyotes than what I thought. I’m not doubting, but I’d think with about 20 something cameras scattered about that we’d get pics of something, unless they’ve learned to sniff out cameras and avoid the areas.
I would think right now with pups venturing out that they should be showing up.
Seeing how Doc gave me clearance to start walking more, I may get up early the rest of this week to go listen. Or see if I can illicit a howl or two from the groups.
My son did text this morning and said he saw his first pup tracks. We knew they’d be out so he’s been looking for them. They should be easy to kill about this time if I can find an open area to see!!

Re: Coyotes [Re: Wanna Be] #8180792
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
According to this thread I’ve got a whole heap more coyotes than what I thought. I’m not doubting, but I’d think with about 20 something cameras scattered about that we’d get pics of something, unless they’ve learned to sniff out cameras and avoid the areas.
I would think right now with pups venturing out that they should be showing up.
Seeing how Doc gave me clearance to start walking more, I may get up early the rest of this week to go listen. Or see if I can illicit a howl or two from the groups.
My son did text this morning and said he saw his first pup tracks. We knew they’d be out so he’s been looking for them. They should be easy to kill about this time if I can find an open area to see!!

Well, how many squatches have you got a pic of? Just sayin. grin


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Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8180824
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Touché…the exact same number of black panthers unfortunately, lol!

Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8180899
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Lol


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Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8181166
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I’ve been running six cameras for a month.

I have more lion pictures than coyote.

And I will GUARANTEE you we have more coyotes than lions here! Haha

Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8181364
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I personally feel as though I don't miss many. I'm sure earlier on before I have evidence in the snow, I miss some, but I don't feel it's a lot. Since the yote market crashed a few years back, I switched 100% of my attention to cats. So now using "cat tactics" I manage to miss most dogs. Not all, but most. We're in the "No Game Camera Season" now, so I typically don't bother with them.


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Re: Coyotes [Re: Boone Liane] #8181397
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
I’ve been running six cameras for a month.

I have more lion pictures than coyote.

And I will GUARANTEE you we have more coyotes than lions here! Haha

Mr.Boone how many of them you ever hooked up on.Do you have to release or have a quota.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8181533
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I catch a few every winter if I go after bobcats.

My biggest winter was 7.

Can’t trap them, have to release them.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Boone Liane] #8182185
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
I catch a few every winter if I go after bobcats.

My biggest winter was 7.

Can’t trap them, have to release them.

I am sure that can get interesting pretty quick.id like to see it.lol.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Slipknot] #8182319
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Originally Posted by Slipknot
Originally Posted by Boone Liane
I catch a few every winter if I go after bobcats.

My biggest winter was 7.

Can’t trap them, have to release them.

I am sure that can get interesting pretty quick.id like to see it.lol.

I'm guessing that he does the Crocodile Dundee mind trick on them, and releases them by hand!


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Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8183117
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I’m not sure how many I got Seth laugh

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Re: Coyotes [Re: Pawnee] #8183130
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Originally Posted by Pawnee
I’m not sure how many I got Seth laugh

I don’t think I’ve seen that many tracks all the years I’ve been trapping, lol.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8183139
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I'd say that you had 1, that just left the bar and couldn't find his car.

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Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8183251
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Brad I'd say you got enough u don't need to worry about my question. Lol

Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8183493
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So if coyotes shy away from anything new, wouldn't that limit one to using blind or flat sets as they would shy away from any new holes.


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Re: Coyotes [Re: Yes sir] #8183570
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I myself don't see a ton of avoidance to dirt holes. There's some educated ones that darn sure avoid them but we have enough coyotes you don't need to catch the smart ones to put up good numbers. But my general population will be spooky of new objects that you bring to the set location like a log or bones. I put a stick about 3/4" in diameter vertical in front of a camera with about 12" above ground. Two different locations. I put a proven lure coyotes loved to roll on to see if a rub set would be effective for coyotes. Probably got about 6 or 8 visits to those test set and only one coyote got within 3 foot of that stick. He came up to it and smelled but I suspect it was his 3rd visit before he got his courage up. I've run more blind sets last couple years but they are slower to connect for me than a good dirt hole but probably catch more of the shy coyotes. They also catch a high percentage of non targets here. I keep telling myself I need to learn to master flat sets and I've caught coyotes in them but I have a mental bias towards them because I feel like I can't control foot placement as well at them and I hate to miss one by three inches. Also we have enough coyotes the dirt hole is just pretty effective. I'm going to force myself to use more flat sets just to master another tool and skill set. Same for snares.

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