Retired teamster 35 plus years left with a pension and 2.2 million 401 k never sued anyone in my life but the 401k was not a union contractual item years ago AB paid 2.37 cents for every dollar invested they took care of us InBev not so much

C traps there is always a choice. I choose to work at the place where I make the most and have the best benefit.

I also chose to take.advantage of the ability to work the OT. I could only work 5 months a year and have my time off and make 70k or I can work ot and make 160k or anywhere in between. I never will hit the max because I won't work but about 14 days in October and November combined and I do take days off like the 4 days in a roll I am taking off this week. Could have had 7 days off but worked 3 of them. But that 4 over 4 k pay check sure helps pay off the rent House mortgage fast and fund other things a lot.beter than a 1500$ no ot check.

It would take over 4 years almost 5 years to make what to do in 2. Sure is much faster getting ahead working the
Avaliable OT.

Around Louisville there is not a single blue color job that pays what I make and has benefits as close union or non union beleave me I have looked and declined many job offers because of it. .also had the hr people see or ask what I make and tell me they dont.pay near as much and I won't be happy there. And that's with out telling them I work ot and more than double my take home.

.I'm glad so many of you will chose to stand on your principles and take lowered paying Jobs. It's easy to talk when you are not .taking a pay cut though isn't it. I call bs on any one of you that would quit their job over principles. Just going by how many took the covid jab to keep their job. O ya the company wanted to try to push that but it never went anywhere the union wouldn't let it.

PF most people won’t work swing shifts , 7 days a week , every holiday and 4 hour and 8 hour OT shifts that was the nature of the beast in the beer business. You can’t shut the process off and the job suited me and I’m a college graduate but at the time the oil market tanked and the job that payed was this one and like you it worked for me because I don’t care what anyone else thinks .

I've saw union vs non union arguments on this site for 15+ years, I think you guys almost got it figured out. Bet in 10 more pages yall will have found common ground and have come to a unified conclusion.

Sure.

Lol you’re totally spot on to me it’s whatever works for you but I totally admire the guys and gals that own their own businesses

What I posted was not opinion. Its my Opinion that every union member is already aware.

I’ll just say this, it’s easy to have “principles” on things you don’t contribute to, but where are those “principles” on things you do contribute to?
I can condemn with the best of them, but when it’s ALL brought to light, every single person on here contributes to the left one way or another, lol.

Most anti- union sentiment stems from jealousy, but as mentioned above few will put in the long hours, 7 day wks, and countless missed holidays over the years.

Union worker for 35 yrs with no regrets other than missed time with family....Retirement is good, real good.

Sure what? Like I have said may time I care less if I'm working union or not but the union jobs in my area pay the best and have the best benefits. Even with all the ot I work I still run my small farm business. I'm not a union or die guy.

I am a guy that told my wife if they try to make us take the covid shot they could fire me. I can go for a year without a pay check and don't have many bills so any job I can get by on.


Do you have any principles still buy carthart even though they made their empty take th shot or loos their job!! If so your all about freedom now ain't you.

Do you have a 2 family income? Sent your kids off to school and have other people raise them becue you need your wife's income? Yep, sounds like a really principle man to me.

I have my ideas and principles and live by them. Mine are not yours and yours not mine. You do what you think is best for your family and I do the same for mine.

For us my wife says home and raises and educates our kids. I don't need her to bring in any income. My farm, truck, this month my rental, all farm equipment is paid for. It is a lifestyle choice. We don't have the newest phones, or new vehicles, or a new house. I do work a lot of hours. But because I have and lived below our means I now have the option of not doing so. Having very limited low interests debt means we can live comfortably on 30 k a year and could get by on 26k. But I made over 124 last year. That's living well below our means and allows us true freedom. Money to invest and can chose anything I want. This year it looks like I will make more by 10 k. Next year I may chose to only make 80k and have 16 full weeks off in addition to 2 3 days off a month. That's freedom of choice.

I wish everyone had the same freedom they could have but won't do what it takes..


I work union because it pays the best and has the best benefits. If there was a non union place close to the benefits level and even 40 k less a year on pay I could be home every day I would be working there but there I'd not in my area.

I have no problem letting it be known I don't and won't support any democrats at the hall, they don't get a penny of pca money from me . All the uninformed people that claim dues go to political things are misinformed but it's nothing new.

The same people knocking my union job shop at stores like target that push LGBT and snen them money. Buy girl scout cookies, several years back they gave 5 million to plant parent hood so you paid for some abortions if you bought girl scout cookies that year. And it's thae same with many products you buy you just bury your heads in the sand and hate on people working union while you are directly supporting company's that directly donated to the democratic parties. It's a sad bunch of uninformed hypocritical thinking on display again and again.


None of you all cry when the union electricians are keeping your power up after the storm. You think you have some sort of moral high ground. But you hone are just like looking at the animal right Karen shouting.


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PF - if your union officially supported a Dem candidate, would you quit the union?

When I was OTR I could tell in the first five minutes if I was at a union place or not. Non union I was in and out. Union takes hours. Again not an opinion but truth.

BTW I am the wrong guy to whine to about long hours and time away from home.

Absolutely not and they do . I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face and give up my pay and benefits. Because of the unions stance.

Will you not buy any product that is made or transported by a company that directly supports and gives money to democrats? I promise you directly support democrats by your purchasing and shopping habits and how those companies contribute to the democrats than my being a member of the union 50 time over.

Just trying to understand your principles. Not attacking you.

Buying goods from a company that supports LBTQ, bad.

Working for a union that supports them, okay.

Gotcha.

Again, there’s NOT a person on here who hasn’t contributed to the left in one way or another. So where do y’all draw the line? From the food you buy, to the clothes you wear, to the car you drive, you’re contributing, lol. And y’all upset someone has a better job and retirement than you do.

I agree 100% that we all support them to some extent, wether we like it or not. I try my best to minimize that, but know full well that I cannot eliminate it.

And I am not jealous of anyone on here for their pay or their retirement.

Just get tired of the same ol sermons from the same ol people.

You live your life, I'll live mine. If you start preaching about how you live, be ready for questions.

And I can tell when teamsters driver come in. Their trailers are clean and sweep out, they have their ppe on, are on time, back in the first time in one shot and can speak English. To be fair it's the same with most of the owner operators pro drivers, but not so much with company drivers today.

Also if a driver has an personality conflict and shows his hind end it's no issue let them sit or to ban them from the plant it it to bad.

I thought drivers should at least have to be able to speak and read English to be driving 80k lbs down our roads.

In sure all that union safety training is a bad thing though.

What union drivers you talking about? Very few teamster companies left. Companies like Old Dominion have put them out of business. OD is not union, starts team drivers at 115000 a year. Pension, insurance vacation sick and holiday pay. Solo starts at 80. About what walmart drivers start at. There are others. I am unaware of any teamster jobs even close to that.

I would think it'd make the republican guys happy to see their money going to the pro gun side.

Sorry your side is losing them.....not