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Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: rex123] #8200369
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Originally Posted by rex123
SO why do so many of you get upset about muslims arioting and burning the Americn flag same differenceisn't it

.. because Muslims rioting and burning flags and and people paying for and erecting a monkey man statue in a place of worship for their religion on private property no harming anyone are completely and totally the same thing whistle


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Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: sportsman94] #8200377
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This is just like what they did in the Bible but they don't tell you to bow down or they will throw you into the fire.


Which chapter and verse is this like?

Read Daniel chapter 3 to chapter 25.

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: Chancey] #8200390
08/21/24 01:52 PM
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Im familiar with the stories in Daniel, I just dont see how they apply here. The people who raised this statue arent in power therefore have no authority to make us worship it. Nor do I see how they are trying to entice us to worship it. You should be much more concerned (in my opinion) with what is in every aspect of culture that you likely interact with and value as parts of American freedom.

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: warrior] #8200393
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Originally Posted by warrior
It is paganism, so what. The apostle Paul on Mars Hill found paganism in the temple of the unknown god. Did he attack it or demand it's removal?

No, he used it as an opportunity to preach the gospel. Did he convert the city, no. Matter of fact wasn't that one he had to be snuck out of the city over the city walls?

Might have that one mixed up as he was constantly getting kicked out of places, lol.

Point is this. Paul didn't go around casting stones. Instead he used it as a means to share the gospel.

Fact is the world today is more pagan, as in worship of all sorts of things other than God, than it has been since Abraham first heard His voice. Sounds like an opportunity to me.


I think Warrior's got the right idea about this. Let's face it, you're not gonna win many souls over for Christ by having an attitude about this like Chancey does. I don't like pagan statues either, they give me the creeps. But, the constitution guarantees freedom of religion, so they have the right.

You have to remember that the disciples and other early Christians were the minority, and were literally surrounded by pagans. They didn't rant and rave about it, they just used it as an opportunity to spread the Gospel. So how can that be done in this case? I don't know... maybe walk the streets of Austin handing out mini Bibles. Maybe get your church to erect a cross, or a crucifix in a prominent place in town. Maybe write a letter to the editor of Austin newspaper or even just an online comment on the news story letting people know the Good News. I think Jesus would want us to spread goodness, not hate and anger.


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Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: loosegoose] #8200406
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
The government didn't pay for it. It's on private property. Nobody is forcing anyone to bow down to it. Who cares?

Those that are mad about this.....what alternative would you propose? Government control of religion? Government control of private property? Mob violence against people we don't agree with?



That's very likely exactly what they would propose.

Smells like bigotry to me.


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Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: Chancey] #8200415
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Only in America!!

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: Chancey] #8200419
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my point was they come on here holier than though,about abortion and everything else saying god this and god that and because of that the country is heading south when inthe book they all claim to know so well God destroyed whole nations forfalse worship and once again I willl say I am not judging them just stop talking out both sides of your mouth . GOD DOESN'T LIKE THIS BUT WINK WINK THIS IS OKAY and providence read what I wrote not what you bnthink I did.

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: Chancey] #8200423
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I think a Christian group should buy the neighboring land and an Islamic group the property on the other side. Both new groups should erect statues taller than the original.

I wonder how long it would be before the killing in the name of the gods began?


Eh...wot?

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: rex123] #8200424
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Originally Posted by rex123
my point was they come on here holier than though,about abortion and everything else saying god this and god that and because of that the country is heading south when inthe book they all claim to know so well God destroyed whole nations forfalse worship and once again I willl say I am not judging them just stop talking out both sides of your mouth . GOD DOESN'T LIKE THIS BUT WINK WINK THIS IS OKAY and providence read what I wrote not what you bnthink I did.

I'm still curious as to what you'd propose be done about the giant monkey statue.

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: Chancey] #8200427
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Christianity took many of it beliefs, holidays, and rituals from paganism. Eric

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: rex123] #8200451
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Originally Posted by rex123
my point was they come on here holier than though,about abortion and everything else saying god this and god that and because of that the country is heading south when inthe book they all claim to know so well God destroyed whole nations forfalse worship and once again I willl say I am not judging them just stop talking out both sides of your mouth . GOD DOESN'T LIKE THIS BUT WINK WINK THIS IS OKAY and providence read what I wrote not what you bnthink I did.


So you just have a problem with Christians taking the stance they are hypocrites then? I can't answer for all Christians ther is a huge amount of different opinions. For example there's a Lutheran church not fare from my home flying a rainbow flag. So a large difference in opinions.

Me I'm anti abortion. I believe it's wrong to kill people unless defending yourself or others. To me it's Tha same cut and dry as it would be just as wrong for someone to hack up a toddler as the unborn baby. When I kill a pre coon I smile knowing I killed many problems for my removal of one. It's ending a life the rest of the arguments are bs smoke screen. Killing someone I'd a negative thing. Someone gets hurt.

Same set coupled can have at it behing closed doors I don't care their life. But when they are grooming of kids and trying to make other people conform to their lifestyle that harms society. I'm not bias I think beauty contest for young girls dressing them up covering them with makeup is also negative. Leave the kids alone.


It's really cut and dry and not hard to understand when your not looking at it through a bias. If it harms others it's bad. If it's only harming themselves have at it. I feel the same about drugs, smoking and drinking.

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: Chancey] #8200463
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I'm still trying to figure out why an entire city and state should be ashamed of an ugly monkey statue.

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: Chancey] #8200465
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Hindus have been around a lot longer than Jesus has, and in all that time they haven't tried to force their beliefs on anyone, or tell anyone else their beliefs are wrong and they're going to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) because of it.
Can't say that about most Christians.
I find them pretty much a mind their own business group, and Hindu doctors actually seem to care about their patients whether Hindu or not, instead of nickel and diming you to get the most out of the insurance...

They want to celebrate their religion and culture...great, doesn't hurt me a bit.

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: Chancey] #8200468
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Christians can't erect a 100 foot cross in this c oyntry.

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: Guss] #8200471
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Originally Posted by Guss
Christians can't erect a 100 foot cross in this c oyntry.

Yes, they can.

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: Chancey] #8200488
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Of course I don't promote violence against any group; nor government control of religion. I have already said previously on this very thread that they have the right to do it under the protection of the 1A, but I am also protected to say what I think about it under that very same amendment.....at least for now. If my thoughts on it offend some, then tough, and I may very well be a bigot. But I would rather be called a bigot on earth than told by God in Heaven, when He asked why I stood by and never condemned the people putting up the very pagan gods as symbols he mentions repeatedly in the OT.

I certainly believe Warrior and Yote are correct in their line of thinking about promoting the gospel to these people, but most folks in this country have heard the name Jesus Christ. IMO, these people that are pushing this pagan idolatry down our throats in the form of statues, symbols, etc. have likely already heard the Gospel of Christ and rejected it. Thus they promote their statues and graven images whether it be the arch of Baal in DC, Baphomet in Detroit, Ashtoreth on a courthouse in New York, etc.

I think that sitting idle, 'minding our own business, and turning the other cheek when it comes to symbols and statues depicting evil and sexual perversions is a sure fire way to bring ones way of life into extinction. We as Christians better start speaking out and condemning this type of behavior IMO, rather than being good little christian boys and girls and saying nothing. One day we are gonna wake up and it will be the point of no return (if we are not there already), then we will sit around and wonder how this happened?


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Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: trapdog1] #8200514
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
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Christians can't erect a 100 foot cross in this c oyntry.

Yes, they can.

Not on govt land or public but private.

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: Chancey] #8200518
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Two things...

First, God's command about not worshiping idols was given to His people. I know idol worship is still bad outside of God's family (in fact it is arguably the root cause of evil in the world), but it is to be expected. The apostle Paul suggested that we should not hold outsiders to the same standards to which we hold insiders (see 1 Cor 5). For idol worship within God's family, we call it out and root it out. For outsiders, step one is to invite them inside. Think about Paul's sermon at Mars Hill. He didn't stand up and berate and shame all those filthy pagans. He simply told them about the one true God and invited them to acknowledge Him.

Second, since Daniel 3 was mentioned, we would do well to remember what that idol represents and what the rest of Daniel is about. It's not just about making statues. The point of idol statues is that they represent something else, a deity or something that is deified and made ultimate in the eyes (and lives) of humans. The statue in Daniel 3 embodies the nation of Babylon itself - its values, its rulers, its gods. The ruler of the nation has made a symbol of the nation (see chapter 2) and demanded that everyone in the nation give the nation ultimate authority and allegiance. The people aren't merely being asked to bow before a statue. They're being asked to treat the nation itself as if it is God. It is about the idolization of a nation, not just a statue. There's a lot more to say on this, and I could make it clearer if necessary. For now, I'll just suggest to Christians in this nation that you pay close attention to yourselves and consider what has your allegiance. Do you view and interpret God's word through the lens/filter of national ideologies or do you view and interpret the nation and its ideologies through the lens of God's word?

Re: Shame on Houston and Texas [Re: NonPCfed] #8200521
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I'm not a Christian, but prefer that America stays a tolerant, but not overly so, majority Christian country.


Just curious Keith C, how do you identify spiritually? If you want to tell.


I'm am not quite a Deist. I believe 100% that God exists. I have my doubts that God interacts with people, but don't know it as a fact and hope God does interact with people. I do think God cares about people, which is why overall, creation is good.

I think we are probably made in God's image. I think God is sort of a benevolent father, who gives his children rein to make their own decisions, so that they grow.

I wish I knew why we were created. I suspect God wants us to progress in being more like God.

I don't think anyone living knows the truth. I don't care much what someone else believes, unless their beliefs harm other people. Muslim beliefs clearly harm other people, especially women.

I think religion is mostly a tool used to control people and manipulate people.

I think Christianity is primarily a good religion and prefer to live in a tolerant primary Christian society.

Keith

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Originally Posted by sportsman94
Im familiar with the stories in Daniel, I just dont see how they apply here. The people who raised this statue arent in power therefore have no authority to make us worship it. Nor do I see how they are trying to entice us to worship it. You should be much more concerned (in my opinion) with what is in every aspect of culture that you likely interact with and value as parts of American freedom.

The statue reminded me of the Bible story

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