on the other hand get the youth complacency trained to a complete police state and where being stopped and searched is the norm. they will never think to claim any 4 amendment violations in their life.

all knee jerk reactions without looking down the road at the unintended things that will happen. loss of freedom always starts with the best sounding intentions.


do something more government control is always the answer. no concern about the draconian laws and tools already in place the were not used. more is always the answer not accountable for whay measures in place were not used and effective. sad even in what's considered the more free thinking people left the patterns shows up.

Agreed happened to me at the courthouse in Traverse City Any tragedy the gov. creates a trillion dollar agency EXCEPT for schools

I can't find a picture of the kid.....why would that be?

Here ya go.
Article with picture

any pictures you will see will be old pictures when they are younger not current pictures that will show they are part of the woke freak show. let's see how right I am on this but just a guess going on past performance.

I would suggest abolishing all government indoctrination camps aka schools. That way we quit gathering all the targets in one location.

Turn the responsibility and safety back over to the parents where it should be.

What parents in some cases?? It’s really a sad deal with no easy answer or cure all. As PF eluded to, some of the fixes have other repercussions.

I also think it’s sad that SOME people evidently truly believe things like this are orchestrated or planned so to speak by anyone other than the psychotic person who did it. I don’t care how anyone thinks politically, but to think even in your head that politicians actually ever think…… “if we could only get 3 or 4 more school shootings this year that would sure help me politically!”….if any of you truly believe or think that, man I feel sorry for you.

So many underlying issues that lead up to this kind of thing that I agree many could be snuffed out or “fixed” in various ways. But that’s a discussion that’s been already partially covered and I surely don’t have the time or energy to go over here. Prayers to the families of those who lost loved ones and were affected. Happy trapping! ScottW

It's hard for me to understand. When I was in school, we might have had some disagreements. The worse result might have been a scrap or so, but shooting someone was never even considered. We might have a couple teachers we didn't care for, but we still had respect for them. For those reasons, I'd say we were better kids than that. All this wokeness pushed by the left adds to the problem.

The biggest mass murderers in history have all been politicians. What makes you think some of ours are any different?

Some people would blame government no matter what they did. Their only goal is to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) and moan about it. They change their agenda according to the event.

“No government outreach! No background checks! “Then…..
“The government shouldve done something! All the signs were there!” Funny how some claim to be right wing then do a 180.

Sounds like parenting failure. Again..

I may be reading your response wrong but I read it as a shot at me. if I'm right it shows lack of reading compression and a boot licker willing to trade freedoms for false security.

what I wrote was we all read have government overreacting programs in place and they were not used or failed. that's never addressed instead it's we just need more control and you get less freedom .


if your thinking the first way and can't read and comprehend and are a bent over for the state take your shots and stay locked down boot licker I have no use for you and you are a huge part of the problem.

if I'm reading your responds wrong I apologize and disregard my response.

The blame lies directly at the feet of our govt. The leftists with their anti-God, anti-family agenda has destroyed the societal norms that kept things in check then further compounded by the statist neocons/conservative govt intervention just "do something" control.

Let me tell you a story from the 50s.

There was a nice quiet blue collar community. All the menfolk worked out at the mill, US Steel Fairfield Works. One of them was bad to get liquored up on payday and come home to take it out on the wife and kids.

We're the police called? Did the govt do something? Nope.

The men of the community did. They drug his butt out into the front yard, tied him off to an oak tree and horse whipped him and assured him that if he ever laid a hand on the wife or kids again that they would be back and he wouldn't be coming back.

Well the fellow sobered up and stayed on the wagon for a time. When he eventually fell off the wagon wouldn't you know it he came up missing. Actually he was put on a bus leaving town and told never to return.

The wife and kids were provided for by the community church.


We used to know how to handle things without needing the govt.

When the nuclear plant I worked at for almost 20 years was in outage, we had approx 2000 workers on site. Most worked 12 hr shifts so we processed in about 1000 workers every morning and evening. No fuss, no muss, no guns, no bombs, no significant delays. It can be done without creating a prison mentality, but only if it is given priority.

The blame lies directly at the feet of our govt. The leftists with their anti-God, anti-family agenda has destroyed the societal norms that kept things in check then further compounded by the statist neocons/conservative govt intervention just "do something" control.

Let me tell you a story from the 50s.

There was a nice quiet blue collar community. All the menfolk worked out at the mill, US Steel Fairfield Works. One of them was bad to get liquored up on payday and come home to take it out on the wife and kids.

We're the police called? Did the govt do something? Nope.

The men of the community did. They drug his butt out into the front yard, tied him off to an oak tree and horse whipped him and assured him that if he ever laid a hand on the wife or kids again that they would be back and he wouldn't be coming back.

Well the fellow sobered up and stayed on the wagon for a time. When he eventually fell off the wagon wouldn't you know it he came up missing. Actually he was put on a bus leaving town and told never to return.

The wife and kids were provided for by the community church.


We used to know how to handle things without needing the govt.[/quote]

This, not many remember how the government enforced DR, Spock's theory of not disciplining children .
The government took away the parents rights to raise their children the right way.
Then the government started equal rights , and forced people to except being replaced by others of minorities in the work force.
That includes men and women.
That became the end of a stay at home parent, both had to work to make ends meet.
Children became an inconvenience to the working class.
That's why families are so much smaller today.
When there were 4-14 kids in a family in the 50's now there's an average of 1.3 kids per family.
Strangers spend more time with the children than the parents do.
All this has caused mental issues of many kinds, and the government shut down mental health hospitals because it was cruel and inhumane .
Yes the government getting more and more control, is the root of our problems.

Not every problem has a ( government ) solution.

Government IS the problem.

Providence Farm I was agreeing with your post completely. Sorry for the mixup

Here’s his mugshot from yesterday.

Maybe another bullying issue