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Broadhead Talk #8211794
09/08/24 06:43 PM
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My go to head is a rage. Never has failed me. This year going to try Swacker. Both 100 grain.
Who has or is using them and your opinions?
Both the rage and swacker hit poa with my bow. So, no adjustment.
Thanks,
Sarge

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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211826
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swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211830
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They work good until they don't.
After going full circle trying several different kinds I'm back to what worked for me in the 90s. NAP thunder heads.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211846
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Muzzy 4 blade for my compound and sons bow. Wasp jackhammer for wifes x bow. Only reason for wasp is that blades fold up so no sharp edges for wife to cut everything around her! Yes it will happen. Both have done the job but I dont trust mechanical blades if I can get fixed blades to shoot good.
My brother uses rage and I have heard him hit with them. Sounds like a wiffle ball bat hitting the ball. So to me they loose alot of energy as soon as they hit. Any good shots did the job just like any fixed blade.
Hit where you are supposed to hit and you will have steaks.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8211847
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Wasp Jak Hammer 100 grain 3 blade

For deer you bet use them also.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211858
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I’ve shot most all of the off the shelf popular mechanicals. They all performed well for me. Nap killzone was my favorite, but I had good results out of shwacker, rage, and killzones. I switched to a three blade fixed head for reusability, but I’ll occasionally throw a mechanical back on if the mood strikes me

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211861
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100 grain, fixed 3 blade Muzzy for me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211862
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100 grain Grim Reaper for me. Eric

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211863
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Muzzy 4 blade

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211865
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Totally anti-mechanical for me forever. However, I got a crossbow so my youngsters could hunt and fixed blade would not fly for squat so my only choice was mechanical. Started w shwackers, kill just fine but are a joke cause every one that deploys nearly cuts the face of the arrow insert all the way through. So now, you blew a $15 head and another $10 arrow too. Switched to rage, absolutely deadly and no issues. Besides the fact that they are all expensive 1-shot wonders. I can sometimes kill 6 or 8 deer w the same thunderhead from my compound. NAP Thunderhead 35 years and counting!


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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: Yes sir] #8211868
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
They work good until they don't.
After going full circle trying several different kinds I'm back to what worked for me in the 90s. NAP thunder heads.

That would be my choice as well.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211869
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Been shooting Muz..., must refrain..


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211870
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Sarge, I like swacker. Hit the little yellow bands with a lighter to snug them up . Never really had one fail, they killed great. Our local dicks sporting goods went woke and discontinued their hunting section, I picked up 6 packs of rage hypodermic for really cheap, so I’m going to shoot these up and probably switch right back to swacker. These hypodermic kill good too, shot two bucks with them last fall, Easy tracking. In my opinion, it’s more important to hit your mark. If you do your part, most broadheads will do their part in opening a wound channel. Pop those lungs - he’ll die

John

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211872
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I tried Rage when they first came out and the first deer I shot it didn’t open. It could’ve been operator error, don’t know, but that was it for Rage for me.
Some good mechanicals I have shot were RamCats and G5 MegaMeats.
In my quiver right now are G5 MegaMeats, the fixed blade Montec M3, and fixed blade QAD Exodus. We haven’t lost a deer with any of those.
For does I shoot the MegaMeats, when hunting bucks I stick with the fixed blades.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211876
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Muzzy and Thunder head is all I've ever used.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: ABeardedTrapper] #8211895
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Originally Posted by ABeardedTrapper
100 grain Grim Reaper for me. Eric


X2. Ive tried rage and they shot accurate enough, just never able to get two deer out of one head with them....weak aluminum best I can tell. I switched to grim reapers several years ago. Ive harvested numerous deer with each head. They seem indestructible compared to the rage. I have broke a blade in the past, but never bent or broken ferrules. Im sure there are other quality mechanicals on the market also....

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211898
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I have used a lot of different one over the years. jack hammers and grim reapers are mechanical I really like. used many fixed blades over the years as well but just can't beat Muzzy 3 blade 100gr for strength eas of sighting in and the price.

the only one I have ever tried I will never use again was 3 blade rage. worst preforming head I have ever shot. one deer and I gave the rest of the pack to a guy at work..

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Anyone shooting mechanical heads at " typical" whitetail ranges (under) 40 yards because they are more " accurate" needs to get your bow tuned!!.


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Anyone shooting mechanical heads at " typical" whitetail ranges (under) 40 yards because they are more " accurate" needs to get your bow tuned!!.

Think most fall for the “blood trail” they supposedly leave. What most don’t realize is that 1” fixed blade will leave just as good a blood trail.

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For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones.


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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: bucksnbears] #8211923
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Anyone shooting mechanical heads at " typical" whitetail ranges (under) 40 yards because they are more " accurate" needs to get your bow tuned!!.


I dont shoot them because they are more accurate, I shoot them because they are more gooder....and because they work well smile

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: Wanna Be] #8211928
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Anyone shooting mechanical heads at " typical" whitetail ranges (under) 40 yards because they are more " accurate" needs to get your bow tuned!!.

Think most fall for the “blood trail” they supposedly leave. What most don’t realize is that 1” fixed blade will leave just as good a blood trail.



typically most shoot mechanicals so they don't have to resight their bow in and tear up or buy different targets.

your confused if you think a 1" hole will leak as much as fast as a 1 3/4" hole. enough for an easy tracking job and recovery absolutely but no where as much blood on the ground. .

tell me I'm wrong then why fire fighters don't just use a 5/8" garden. hose to put out fires.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211931
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Less moving parts means less stuff that can go wrong and I've had almost everything that can go wrong go wrong while archery hunting. I did go to a fall away rest just because the accuracy was worth the risk. And knock on wood it hasn't failed me yet.

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If you’re waiting for deer to bleed out, you’re in for a long tracking job. Again, lack of experience but still pretending you know it all. Lack of oxygen or puncturing that heart is what kills the animal. Same as a bullet that doesn’t exit yet still destroys the insides.

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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
If you’re waiting for deer to bleed out, you’re in for a long tracking job. Again, lack of experience but still pretending you know it all. Lack of oxygen or puncturing that heart is what kills the animal. Same as a bullet that doesn’t exit yet still destroys the insides.



i know you cant understand and comprehend what you read but you can't even read what you yourself wrote . a 1" head will not leak as much as fast as a bigger hole as you claim. but try to switch it up.

and things die from blood loss and or lack of oxygen typical when shot with a bow. faster blood loss and less oxygen faster means shorter trails. bigger holes accomplish that faster than smaller holes. bullets also have a shock factor especially when moving over 2100 fps.

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PF, you know not what you speak!
wink


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
PF, you know not what you speak!
wink


wink now and them I may guess right... probably just something I saw on u tube though.

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I don't care what anyone says or shoots, but mechanicals have a higher fail rate than fixed heads. I know more people that switched to mechanicals and eventually switched back. They both will work, but fixed heads are better if you get the right ones.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8211960
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Shot my elk with 125 QAD exodus the other day. First animal without but good results and broadhead is in perfect shape still

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Most all good heads will kill but killing isn't the same as finding. A good blood trail is the key to finding that animal . and is the only benefit large cutting diameter mechanical heads basically offer.


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Sevr 2.0 for mechanical

G5 Montec carbon steel for fixed

Yes, my bow is tuned. Can shoot either broadhead or field point, same point of impact.

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100 grain thunderheads for me (old school) just started using a Xbow last year one deer one elk both pass throughs accurate out to 50 yards but I don’t do much over 40 yards.


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Muzzy 3 blade. When the hunt of a lifetime hinges on your equipment, why use a broadhead that hinges? wink All personal choices.

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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: newhouse114] #8212586
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Originally Posted by newhouse114
For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones.

Zwicky Eskimos for me, both longbow and recurve. Sharp, durable and easy to sharpen. And reasonably priced.

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anti gov I had a muzzy look like those after busting through a pelvis and staying in it when it ran off. I replaced the blades didn't realize I should have patented them.and marketed it. .

seriously I have seen those in the shelf and thought about trying them. how do they fly.

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100 grain Slick Tricks. I will never use a mechanical broadhead again. Some love them and I got no problem with it, but I have had a couple fails using the Rage heads. Slick Tricks just work well for me.

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Originally Posted by backroadsarcher
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Wasp Jak Hammer 100 grain 3 blade

For deer you bet use them also.

Yes...whitetails. Have never shot any other critter with the Wasps.

Have killed a bunch of deer and feral hogs with Muzzy 90 gr 4 blade, but that 1" cut leaves no room for error.


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Started out with thunderhead 125's back in the 80's. Got on the mechanical kick in the 90's and 2000's mid 2010's went to the Trophy Taker shuttle T lock 100 grain and never looked back. Been using in my crossbow for about 5 years now super accurate great penetration big blood trails. If I do my part most fall within 30 yards.


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I’m sure I’d have to tinker if I bought a new bow, but 125 grain QAD Exodus has caused a lot of deer death for me in the last 5 years. Have passed through every deer I’ve shot and left a good blood trail.

I’ve had several mechanicals fail in the past and have a distrust for them. I’ve tested my QADs out to 60 and they fly beautifully, cut a nice wound channel, and are durable as all get out.

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Killed a few muleys with my old bear recurve and bear broadheads. Have not seen them in quite awhile. Had a little insert. Main blade was kinda triangle shaped. 35 yards was about as far as I would shoot. Never shot elk or bear with a bow.


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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8212734
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Muzzy 3 blade here also, haven't had a deer go more than 50yds.

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Originally Posted by newhouse114
For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones.


I shot 155gr Grizzly LW single bevels for a ling time and killed a number of different species. Going with the Abowyer Wapiti 175gr LW this year

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I love my Grim Reapers 125 grain mechanical for my crossbow, 100 percent success.

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I run muzzys on both the xbow and the compound. I hated dealing with the collars and o rings on mechanicals so went to fixed blades. Never lost a deer that I hit with any broadhead., Put em in the kill zone and they dont go far. I staked a doe a few years out of the xbow with the muzzy, shoulder hit, dropped her to the ground and she didnt get back up.

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Originally Posted by newhouse114
For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones.


For the record, recovery rates on deer shot with mechanical broadheads, whether out of a verticle bow or crossbow, are higher than they are on fixed blade broadheads. Im thinking there are a few folks that need to put their 'training wheels' back on grin

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Originally Posted by midlander
Originally Posted by newhouse114
For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones.


For the record, recovery rates on deer shot with mechanical broadheads, whether out of a verticle bow or crossbow, are higher than they are on fixed blade broadheads. Im thinking there are a few folks that need to put their 'training wheels' back on grin

are we talking about every deer shot with bows or ones that guys call the tracking dogs for?

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Originally Posted by midlander
Originally Posted by newhouse114
For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones.


For the record, recovery rates on deer shot with mechanical broadheads, whether out of a verticle bow or crossbow, are higher than they are on fixed blade broadheads. Im thinking there are a few folks that need to put their 'training wheels' back on grin

Guy that brought his tracking dog out to find my deer wouldn't agree with u. Last I heard they were tracking over a 100 deer a year with their dog so they have a lot of first hand experience.

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Tracking dog guy certainly has some experience tracking dogs, but probably not real scientific. Here is a study that is likely more scientific and more believable for me.
I will state for the record, everone should shoot whatever they're comfortable with, but dont try to poopoo others....especially when the facts appear to conclude just the opposite....



https://deerassociation.com/high-deer-recovery-rates-fixed-blade-mechanical-broadheads/#:~:text=Mechanical%20vs.,209%20out%20of%20230%20hit).

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Originally Posted by midlander

Tracking dog guy certainly has some experience tracking dogs, but probably not real scientific. Here is a study that is likely more scientific and more believable for me.
I will state for the record, everone should shoot whatever they're comfortable with, but dont try to poopoo others....especially when the facts appear to conclude just the opposite....



https://deerassociation.com/high-deer-recovery-rates-fixed-blade-mechanical-broadheads/#:~:text=Mechanical%20vs.,209%20out%20of%20230%20hit).
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Interesting that they don’t even mention traditional archers! Mechanicals are a strict no-no for trad shooters! The trad guys place a higher emphasis on “hunting”, getting close, rather than pulling a trigger at 60 plus yards

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Originally Posted by newhouse114
Originally Posted by midlander

Tracking dog guy certainly has some experience tracking dogs, but probably not real scientific. Here is a study that is likely more scientific and more believable for me.
I will state for the record, everone should shoot whatever they're comfortable with, but dont try to poopoo others....especially when the facts appear to conclude just the opposite....



https://deerassociation.com/high-deer-recovery-rates-fixed-blade-mechanical-broadheads/#:~:text=Mechanical%20vs.,209%20out%20of%20230%20hit).
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Interesting that they don’t even mention traditional archers! Mechanicals are a strict no-no for trad shooters! The trad guys place a higher emphasis on “hunting”, getting close, rather than pulling a trigger at 60 plus yards


Im just speculating that the overall percentage of true traditional archers is a very small number compared to wheeled verticle bows and crossbows. I just thought it was an interesting read...

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Originally Posted by midlander

Tracking dog guy certainly has some experience tracking dogs, but probably not real scientific. Here is a study that is likely more scientific and more believable for me.
I will state for the record, everone should shoot whatever they're comfortable with, but dont try to poopoo others....especially when the facts appear to conclude just the opposite....



https://deerassociation.com/high-deer-recovery-rates-fixed-blade-mechanical-broadheads/#:~:text=Mechanical%20vs.,209%20out%20of%20230%20hit).



I'll try to read the study when I have time. Bottom line for me is I've heard more stories of failure with mechanicals when everything else appeared to done properly than fixed blades. Off the top of my head I've personally never heard of a fixed blade falling when everything else appears to have been done correctly but I'm sure it has happened.

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Originally Posted by midlander

Tracking dog guy certainly has some experience tracking dogs, but probably not real scientific. Here is a study that is likely more scientific and more believable for me.
I will state for the record, everone should shoot whatever they're comfortable with, but dont try to poopoo others....especially when the facts appear to conclude just the opposite....



https://deerassociation.com/high-deer-recovery-rates-fixed-blade-mechanical-broadheads/#:~:text=Mechanical%20vs.,209%20out%20of%20230%20hit).



I know more people that switched back to fixed heads. Another forum I go on that's 99% hunting kinda shows the trend. Many of these guys are hard core. They only bow hunt. They scout year round. It's all they do. They dont fish or golf. They just hunt. I'll take their word and results over a weekend warrior's word any day. Mechanicals do work of course, but they can fail too. The fixed head that's super sharp is better. It just is.

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Originally Posted by D.T.
Originally Posted by newhouse114
For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones.


I shot 155gr Grizzly LW single bevels for a ling time and killed a number of different species. Going with the Abowyer Wapiti 175gr LW this year


I’ve gone to a three blade cutthroat, 250 gr. Very happy with the results. Shot a 250 grain grizzly for years but I kinda like that third blade.


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If you've never lost a single deer after hitting it with a broadhead, then you are either a novice hunter that hasn't had many opportunities, haven't took many deer with a bow, or are not being truthful.

For those that say they've never lost a deer with a bow, then you should qualify that statement with how many you have killed with a bow and arrow.

I've lost about half a dozen since my 1st bowkill in the early 80s. All were bad hits....all my fault. A couple of those appeared to be great hits based on observed arrow impact location.

I've dragged out over 100 whitetails I've killed with a bow and about 4 doz feral hogs.

Shot Muzzy 90 gr 4 blade fixed (1" cut) since the early 80s when Muzzy 1st became a company. All the deer I've lost with bow were when using those Muzzys.

I started using the Wasp Jak-Hammer 100 grain (front end deploying 1.75" cut) about 7 or 8 years ago. I will never change. The wounds are incredible (compared to the Muzzy 90s). I have killed 15 or so deer with these...from 75lb south Ga does to 250+lb north Missouri bucks.

Have made a liver hit that fell within sight and died there. Made a liver hit with a Muzzy that ran 1300 yds and recovered next day.)

Had an arrow deflect off a myrtle bush branch and slice a mature doe across her back. Two of the 3 Wasp blades opened and created what looked like 2 hatchet strikes on her back....above her spine. She made it about 80 yds and collapsed. Took another arrow to finish her. The Muzzy 90 would've not done that.

I've not shot a hog with one yet, but other than directly in the shoulder shield, I'm very confident they'll get 'er done.

I've bought up a bunch of the Wasps...what a fantastic broadhead!

I shoot a Mathews Triax........NOT a crossbow....never have.


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https://youtu.be/UuOQL063Sy4?si=dj-jNe7TRWDuIQhU
I don't follow these guys so I'm not sure how solid they are on all their views but it's pretty discussion on fixed blades and mechanicals . Their story seems to be a pretty common theme amongst hunters

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Originally Posted by midlander
Originally Posted by newhouse114
For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones.


For the record, recovery rates on deer shot with mechanical broadheads, whether out of a verticle bow or crossbow, are higher than they are on fixed blade broadheads. Im thinking there are a few folks that need to put their 'training wheels' back on grin

I don't believe that for one second.

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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
If you've never lost a single deer after hitting it with a broadhead, then you are either a novice hunter that hasn't had many opportunities, haven't took many deer with a bow, or are not being truthful.

For those that say they've never lost a deer with a bow, then you should qualify that statement with how many you have killed with a bow and arrow.

I've lost about half a dozen since my 1st bowkill in the early 80s. All were bad hits....all my fault. A couple of those appeared to be great hits based on observed arrow impact location.

I've dragged out over 100 whitetails I've killed with a bow and about 4 doz feral hogs.

Shot Muzzy 90 gr 4 blade fixed (1" cut) since the early 80s when Muzzy 1st became a company. All the deer I've lost with bow were when using those Muzzys.

I started using the Wasp Jak-Hammer 100 grain (front end deploying 1.75" cut) about 7 or 8 years ago. I will never change. The wounds are incredible (compared to the Muzzy 90s). I have killed 15 or so deer with these...from 75lb south Ga does to 250+lb north Missouri bucks.

Have made a liver hit that fell within sight and died there. Made a liver hit with a Muzzy that ran 1300 yds and recovered next day.)

Had an arrow deflect off a myrtle bush branch and slice a mature doe across her back. Two of the 3 Wasp blades opened and created what looked like 2 hatchet strikes on her back....above her spine. She made it about 80 yds and collapsed. Took another arrow to finish her. The Muzzy 90 would've not done that.

I've not shot a hog with one yet, but other than directly in the shoulder shield, I'm very confident they'll get 'er done.

I've bought up a bunch of the Wasps...what a fantastic broadhead!

I shoot a Mathews Triax........NOT a crossbow....never have.


Ive killed about 20 in archery, all but one with a xbow. Only clean missed once. Clipped belly hairs of two. The rest have found the freeze, all through the lung and a couple clipped heats. Never yet gut shot one with either. Only gut shot one with a gun....

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Someone mentioned the Shuttle T…that little joker is deadly on hogs! Used all three I had on pigs and recovered all three pigs.

My main issue with mechanicals is hitting solid bone. And yes, I’ve lost deer in the past and don’t want to ever do it again. I will say I’ve learned a lot with age, probably all my deer were recoverable “IF” I’d waited on tracking them. I’ve had deer recovery guys tell me if it’s a Booner, aim dead center of that deer and just watch the way it runs off. They said don’t even go to the spot, climb down go to the truck and give them a call. They’ll meet up in about 8hrs and find my deer dead. This dog guy said he is 100% on gut shot deer.
He sorta has a point, if there’s blood everywhere anyone can follow it. His favorite broadhead is a mechanical, it guarantees him and his dogs plenty of work.

I will say I saw a G5 MegaMeat go through the shoulder bone and even got an exit. What was the crazy part, it only slightly bent one blade and we assume it was the bone and not the root the arrow was buried in. I’m now just partial to fixed blades just incase I hit a bone. None of us plan on it, but it does happen. We watched all our deer fall within sight the last couple of years and I used the Montecs/Exodus and my son used the MegaMeats…about 8 deer total. We skin every archery shot deer to see the damage and what organs are hit. Hit lungs, heart, liver or any combo and it’s a dead deer regardless of whether it’s a 1” hole or 2” hole. And even though we watch the drop, we still give them at least 15-20 minutes before climbing down and tracking them.

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Originally Posted by Yes sir
https://youtu.be/UuOQL063Sy4?si=dj-jNe7TRWDuIQhU
I don't follow these guys so I'm not sure how solid they are on all their views but it's pretty discussion on fixed blades and mechanicals . Their story seems to be a pretty common theme amongst hunters

Heavy arrow guys..^^^^

My arrow with bh attached weigh 430 grains.

Their's work....Mine works. They get pass thrus....I get pass thrus.

My rig is shooting that 430 grain arrow at 290fps.....(68 lbs)


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They consider 430gr lightweight, lol. If it’s not 700+gr then it’s “kid arrows”, lol.

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It was the problems they ran into with mechanicals is why I posted that video. I hope it was the video where they address these issues. If not I posted the wrong one.

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For the record, recovery rates on deer shot with mechanical broadheads, whether out of a verticle bow or crossbow, are higher than they are on fixed blade broadheads. Im thinking there are a few folks that need to put their 'training wheels' back on grin[/quote]

I don't believe that for one second.[/quote]

Well Wi Outdoors, we are all welcome to our beliefs, just yours dont appear to be backed by anything except opinion. If thats incorrect, please expound for us so we can all learn something here tonight. I didnt post the link to that study to stir the pot, just thought it was interesting information and certainly provided some interesting data that Ive not seen before. Maybe you have something that contradicts the data...?

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Fun watching bowhunting videos from 30 years ago.
Guys shooting fat aluminum arrows, 220f.p.s. arrows and mostly complete pass through using plain old Muzzy,ThunderHeads.
Fast forwards 30 years, the latest n greatest bows,arrows. 50% of the deer shown being shot, 1/2 the arrow sticking out.
Sickens me.

I've bloodtrailed 100s of bear,deer. Mech heads have accounted for the vast majority of lost critters.
Mech heads were intended for accuracy when they first came out.
Anyone now days that can't get a fixed blade head to fly great at " typical" 30 yards and under should quite bowhunting and take up golf.
2 holes are better then one.

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Edited to add:, full penetration is much easier to get with arrows fletched with feathers over stiff vanes. wink
Apples to apples, deer will freak out and run farther if they have an arrow sticking out of the instead of a clean pass thru.
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I have the boys shooting 125 gr 3 blade muzzys out of their compounds becuse they are shooting low poundage and carbon arrows are much lighter than the old aluminum arrows I was shooting back when I was 14 and shooting low lb and slow bows. I want to be sure they get exits. have 100g inserts in the youngest arrows as well.

I was impressed with wash jack hammers when I started using them at 17. I thinning have a few around and would uses them in a heart beat. I have been very happy with grimreepers the last several years. the 8 point my 14 year old shot last year made it about 30 yards and had a 3' wide blood trail you could see 20' up in the tree.


I have lost 5 deer in my life not sure out of how many. kids ask me years ago how many deer I had killed and I made it over 130 and gave up. just guessing I would add probably at least 30 more but can't be sure. now I have not shot any deer the last probably 5 years maybe longer having the kids do all the.shooting.

3 I lost were all with a bow all the same shot. high in the back steep downward ange deer at 5 to 10 yards and 16 to 20' in a tree. battery.blood for a.short time then none. one was 40 yards she dropped at the shot floped 10 yards and played still. after 10 min I started to get down she got up walked 12 yards and laid down head up now about 60 yards away and well out of range for 16 year old me shooting aluminum arrows out of an under 200fps bow. I sat ther tell long after dark. there was blood at the hit the flop and a little where she laid. none leaving. arrow was covered in fat and bent like a u. 125gr fixed blade guessing my shot hit high by the spine.

I lost one withna357 carbine longer shot aimed a little high. was closer than I thought hit where I aimed above lungs below spine battery blood very quickly stopped.

loosing 5 out of the # I have shot over the years is not bad but it's a horrible feeling I never want to have happen again.

been very fortunate neither of the boys have lost one yet. the 12 year old had shot 16 and 14 year old 18 I think. bows x bows carbines and rifles.

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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
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https://youtu.be/UuOQL063Sy4?si=dj-jNe7TRWDuIQhU
I don't follow these guys so I'm not sure how solid they are on all their views but it's pretty discussion on fixed blades and mechanicals . Their story seems to be a pretty common theme amongst hunters

Heavy arrow guys..^^^^

My arrow with bh attached weigh 430 grains.

Their's work....Mine works. They get pass thrus....I get pass thrus.

My rig is shooting that 430 grain arrow at 290fps.....(68 lbs)

Your deer are tiny in Florida.

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If you would go back and read my posts you'd see I've punched thru 250plus lb bucks in north Missouri.

With the Triax and Wasps since 2018...about 4 big bodied north Missouri bucks.

My deep South Ga bucks average about 135 to 140 for a 3.5 to 4.5 year old buck deer.

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Midlander, it all depends on who does the survey. We all know that. Bucksnbears is correct 100%.

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Punch m perfect, probably don't matter. Double lung/ heart shot it's a dead deer.
An exit hole while sitting in a tree should be a gimme with bows,arrows now days.
Watching videos of seeing a deer shot center lungs and seeing it run off with 1/2 the arrow sticking out sucks.
I've yet to have a Muzzy not " deploy".

Oh well, let's call in a dog tracker inn the morning, us hunters don't care bout the meat anyway. whistle


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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Punch m perfect, probably don't matter. Double lung/ heart shot it's a dead deer.
An exit hole while sitting in a tree should be a gimme with bows,arrows now days.
Watching videos of seeing a deer shot center lungs and seeing it run off with 1/2 the arrow sticking out sucks.
I've yet to have a Muzzy not " deploy".

Oh well, let's call in a dog tracker inn the morning, us hunters don't care bout the meat anyway. whistle



I love muzzys, but also have never once lost a single deer shot with a jackhammers or Grimreapers. can't say the same about fixed blades. infact I can't prove it but the 4 deer I have lost with a bow likely would have been recovered had I had the 1 3/4 cut instead of the 11/8."

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Punch m perfect, probably don't matter. Double lung/ heart shot it's a dead deer.
An exit hole while sitting in a tree should be a gimme with bows,arrows now days.
Watching videos of seeing a deer shot center lungs and seeing it run off with 1/2 the arrow sticking out sucks.
I've yet to have a Muzzy not " deploy".

Oh well, let's call in a dog tracker inn the morning, us hunters don't care bout the meat anyway. whistle



I love muzzys, but also have never once lost a single deer shot with a jackhammers or Grimreapers. can't say the same about fixed blades. infact I can't prove it but the 4 deer I have lost with a bow likely would have been recovered had I had the 1 3/4 cut instead of the 11/8."



That's speculation. I've seen broadheads found lodged in deer that should have killed them but didn't. They were found a year or two later after another hunter killed it. Lots of strange things happen in this game if you've been in it long enough. We all know that.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8213274
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I’ve been having excellent success with Qad Exodus the last few years, 1.25” cutting diameter out of a great flying fixed blade is pretty impressive IMO. I also killed a bunch with Slick Tricks, great heads as well but I have a totally unproven theory that a 3 blade cut may be superior to a 4 blade of similar diameter.

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These are the latest 2 bucks I've killed with arrows. Both in 2022. Biggest is north Missouri. 8 pt is less than a mile from my home near the Ga-Fl state line.

Both pass thrus with the Wasp mechanical and 430 grain Black Eagle arrows. A blind man could've followed the blood trails by feel.

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wi outdoors what's not speculation is the fact I have never lost a deer with the two expanding heads I listed above out of dozens. but I have lost them with fixed blades. it's not tow hard to understand an extra 3/4" cut ya almost double the size hole would have increased the chance of cutting up the lungs and important thing more than the smaller hole it got.. like I clearly stated I can't prove it but think it is likely they would have been recovered. Even in what I wrote I clearly say I can't prove it but believe. so it's my opinion based on years of experience. Yet you feel the need to post talking about speculation.

your right it can't be proven. had a friend hit a nice buck high in the back with an expanding head. He was on the ground so flat shot angle actually angering slightly up becus the deer was on a small hill. He didn't find it . 2 weeks later it was back on Camara with big hole in his back that was healing nicely. it was the same shot location of every deer I have lost so yes its possible it may not have made a difference on a few of them mainly the ones that were longer shots with little to no downward angle. But I believe the Close shots with steep angles it would have made all the difference. But like I said It can't be proven. yet I have never lost a single deer shooting an expanding head personally but I can't say the same for fixed blades. there are some real junk expanding heads with week bladed that break off. I will never shoot a rage at a deer again once was enough Gave the rest of them away..

fixed blades are better on heavy bone mechanicals are less likely to have a blade hit a twig and deflect and leave a bigger blood trail. shot a squirrel once I would not have killed had I been shooting an expanding head at the time. a single blade cut its throat would have missed with an expanding head most likely.

there are pros and cons to everything. I have killed a lot of deer with a bow . Killed my first several deer with a bow at about 13. Several years I bow hunted all gun season never taking a gun hunting. any head will work some better than others. some guys say they like here I wouldn't hunt with becuse the tend to wind plane and loose blades easily. But it's what they like and works for them and I don't say a thing about it to them..

But lots of experts sure chime in their opinion and the best part is they state they got their opinions about them based on what they see on tv NOT personal experience. let that sink in.

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I like to tinker with my setups and currently am on the heavier side of things at about 660 grain total weight with 200 grain vpa single bevels. I have only shot 4 deer with this setup and can't give a strong opinion one way or the other because they have all been double lungs or heart shots that any setup wouldve done the job. I have noticed since I switched back to fixed blades from mechanicals that I have yet to have a deer take off on a death run that happened regularly with mechanicals. That's 15 deer or so that only 2 have died out of eyesight hunting in timber. Most of those were with a 500 grain arrow using Magnus black hornets. I will never shoot mechanicals again personally but I have seen a few instances after doing a necropsy where the broad head choice has resulted in recovering the deer that likely would've been lost had the opposing broad head been used as in using a mechanical instead of fixed blades and vise versa.

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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: WI Outdoors] #8213405
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Originally Posted by midlander

Tracking dog guy certainly has some experience tracking dogs, but probably not real scientific. Here is a study that is likely more scientific and more believable for me.
I will state for the record, everone should shoot whatever they're comfortable with, but dont try to poopoo others....especially when the facts appear to conclude just the opposite....



https://deerassociation.com/high-deer-recovery-rates-fixed-blade-mechanical-broadheads/#:~:text=Mechanical%20vs.,209%20out%20of%20230%20hit).



I know more people that switched back to fixed heads. Another forum I go on that's 99% hunting kinda shows the trend. Many of these guys are hard core. They only bow hunt. They scout year round. It's all they do. They dont fish or golf. They just hunt. I'll take their word and results over a weekend warrior's word any day. Mechanicals do work of course, but they can fail too. The fixed head that's super sharp is better. It just is.

I do all the things you mentioned and would definitely not call myself a "weekend warrior". Back in 82 my first broadhead was the Thunderheads in 125. Switched to the jakhammers in the mid 90's and never looked back unless shooting pass throughs. Dabbled a bit over the years but settled in on the RAGE hypodermics for both my vertical bow and wifes crossbow. Son, daughter, son in law, daughter in law all shoot the same thing. NEVER had one issue with a mechanical head. They leave bigger holes and more blood on the ground and most drop within easy eye sight in the thick north woods of Wisconsin. With a couple hundred animals shot with these I'd say they are pretty reliable. The argument either way is a nonsense one. Both styles are reliable and efficient and if it gives a person confidence in their equipment then whichever someone decides to go with is the right one to use. If you asked a hundred "die hards" which they prefer I guarantee the numbers will be very similar. Ask me how I know.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: Providence Farm] #8213533
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
wi outdoors what's not speculation is the fact I have never lost a deer with the two expanding heads I listed above out of dozens. but I have lost them with fixed blades. it's not tow hard to understand an extra 3/4" cut ya almost double the size hole would have increased the chance of cutting up the lungs and important thing more than the smaller hole it got.. like I clearly stated I can't prove it but think it is likely they would have been recovered. Even in what I wrote I clearly say I can't prove it but believe. so it's my opinion based on years of experience. Yet you feel the need to post talking about speculation.

your right it can't be proven. had a friend hit a nice buck high in the back with an expanding head. He was on the ground so flat shot angle actually angering slightly up becus the deer was on a small hill. He didn't find it . 2 weeks later it was back on Camara with big hole in his back that was healing nicely. it was the same shot location of every deer I have lost so yes its possible it may not have made a difference on a few of them mainly the ones that were longer shots with little to no downward angle. But I believe the Close shots with steep angles it would have made all the difference. But like I said It can't be proven. yet I have never lost a single deer shooting an expanding head personally but I can't say the same for fixed blades. there are some real junk expanding heads with week bladed that break off. I will never shoot a rage at a deer again once was enough Gave the rest of them away..

fixed blades are better on heavy bone mechanicals are less likely to have a blade hit a twig and deflect and leave a bigger blood trail. shot a squirrel once I would not have killed had I been shooting an expanding head at the time. a single blade cut its throat would have missed with an expanding head most likely.

there are pros and cons to everything. I have killed a lot of deer with a bow . Killed my first several deer with a bow at about 13. Several years I bow hunted all gun season never taking a gun hunting. any head will work some better than others. some guys say they like here I wouldn't hunt with becuse the tend to wind plane and loose blades easily. But it's what they like and works for them and I don't say a thing about it to them..

But lots of experts sure chime in their opinion and the best part is they state they got their opinions about them based on what they see on tv NOT personal experience. let that sink in.

No expert. Just sharing what I've seen over the years. We're all having a conversation here. Not a pissing match. We're all on the same team. I personally don't care what others shoot.

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My bow is tuned and I can group field points, mechanicals and fixed blades all together

Use what you have confidence in

I have a mix in my quiver

Deer here are not huge and anything sharp will kill one

Pigs are nuisance/pests so if one runs off and is not recovered I don't lose any sleep

Having said all of that, if I was forced to make a choice and that is all I could use, I would choose fixed every time just because of the simplicity which decrease the chance of failure

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I’ve killed a deer with essentially a field point since the Rage did not open. Luckily it ran about 150 yards straight away and then turned and ran straight back to me and passed the stand about 30yds and died.

Everyone knows if you hit lungs/heart it’s a dead deer. Now how far it runs I believe is what happens before the shot. I’ve never understood or will ever understand why anyone would alert a deer that danger is around before releasing. I refuse to alert a deer. If I don’t have a shot, I don’t take it. Like I’ve said, we’ve watched all our deer fall within sight. Some deer had no idea they were even hit.

The issue with mechanicals vs fixed is not the heart/lung shots through ribs…it’s that shot through solid bone. Is that mechanical making it through that shoulder bone and taking out both lungs and exiting? Once it hits that shoulder bone are both blades still doing their job or is one broke or bent and no longer penetrating or changed its trajectory? Can’t say I’ve seen blades ever coming off or breaking on a fixed blade, but have seen it on mechanicals. If you can make that perfect shot every time then it’s not an issue. I’ve seen both the Montec and Exodus go in ribs and shatter leg bones or shoulder on the other side with complete passthroughs. Only seen one mechanical do that.

And I’ll say a lot has to do with the size of the deer as well. With mechanicals I’ve never NOT got a passthrough on a doe, but can’t say the same with bucks. The last pig I shot with a mechanical I almost had a complete passthrough, the fletching hung up on exit. I still watched that hog fall within sight.

Another thing I’ve always thought about was if an arrow doesn’t exit, a fixed head is still cutting as the critter runs. I don’t think a mechanical is with blades just flopping.

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Originally Posted by Savell
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They fly great for a fixed blade.
I use rage. I'm sure schwacker will work fine.

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I will give the swacks a try. Plenty of does still around from last year. Whack a couple. Then settle in for.the big boy.
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