Broadhead Talk
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My go to head is a rage. Never has failed me. This year going to try Swacker. Both 100 grain. Who has or is using them and your opinions? Both the rage and swacker hit poa with my bow. So, no adjustment. Thanks, Sarge
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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Totally anti-mechanical for me forever. However, I got a crossbow so my youngsters could hunt and fixed blade would not fly for squat so my only choice was mechanical. Started w shwackers, kill just fine but are a joke cause every one that deploys nearly cuts the face of the arrow insert all the way through. So now, you blew a $15 head and another $10 arrow too. Switched to rage, absolutely deadly and no issues. Besides the fact that they are all expensive 1-shot wonders. I can sometimes kill 6 or 8 deer w the same thunderhead from my compound. NAP Thunderhead 35 years and counting!
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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They work good until they don't. After going full circle trying several different kinds I'm back to what worked for me in the 90s. NAP thunder heads.
That would be my choice as well.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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Been shooting Muz..., must refrain..
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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Sarge, I like swacker. Hit the little yellow bands with a lighter to snug them up . Never really had one fail, they killed great. Our local dicks sporting goods went woke and discontinued their hunting section, I picked up 6 packs of rage hypodermic for really cheap, so I’m going to shoot these up and probably switch right back to swacker. These hypodermic kill good too, shot two bucks with them last fall, Easy tracking. In my opinion, it’s more important to hit your mark. If you do your part, most broadheads will do their part in opening a wound channel. Pop those lungs - he’ll die
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100 grain Grim Reaper for me. Eric X2. Ive tried rage and they shot accurate enough, just never able to get two deer out of one head with them....weak aluminum best I can tell. I switched to grim reapers several years ago. Ive harvested numerous deer with each head. They seem indestructible compared to the rage. I have broke a blade in the past, but never bent or broken ferrules. Im sure there are other quality mechanicals on the market also....
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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I have used a lot of different one over the years. jack hammers and grim reapers are mechanical I really like. used many fixed blades over the years as well but just can't beat Muzzy 3 blade 100gr for strength eas of sighting in and the price.
the only one I have ever tried I will never use again was 3 blade rage. worst preforming head I have ever shot. one deer and I gave the rest of the pack to a guy at work..
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Anyone shooting mechanical heads at " typical" whitetail ranges (under) 40 yards because they are more " accurate" needs to get your bow tuned!!.
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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Anyone shooting mechanical heads at " typical" whitetail ranges (under) 40 yards because they are more " accurate" needs to get your bow tuned!!.
Think most fall for the “blood trail” they supposedly leave. What most don’t realize is that 1” fixed blade will leave just as good a blood trail.
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Anyone shooting mechanical heads at " typical" whitetail ranges (under) 40 yards because they are more " accurate" needs to get your bow tuned!!.
Think most fall for the “blood trail” they supposedly leave. What most don’t realize is that 1” fixed blade will leave just as good a blood trail. typically most shoot mechanicals so they don't have to resight their bow in and tear up or buy different targets. your confused if you think a 1" hole will leak as much as fast as a 1 3/4" hole. enough for an easy tracking job and recovery absolutely but no where as much blood on the ground. . tell me I'm wrong then why fire fighters don't just use a 5/8" garden. hose to put out fires.
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If you’re waiting for deer to bleed out, you’re in for a long tracking job. Again, lack of experience but still pretending you know it all. Lack of oxygen or puncturing that heart is what kills the animal. Same as a bullet that doesn’t exit yet still destroys the insides. i know you cant understand and comprehend what you read but you can't even read what you yourself wrote . a 1" head will not leak as much as fast as a bigger hole as you claim. but try to switch it up. and things die from blood loss and or lack of oxygen typical when shot with a bow. faster blood loss and less oxygen faster means shorter trails. bigger holes accomplish that faster than smaller holes. bullets also have a shock factor especially when moving over 2100 fps.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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Most all good heads will kill but killing isn't the same as finding. A good blood trail is the key to finding that animal . and is the only benefit large cutting diameter mechanical heads basically offer.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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100 grain thunderheads for me (old school) just started using a Xbow last year one deer one elk both pass throughs accurate out to 50 yards but I don’t do much over 40 yards.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones. Zwicky Eskimos for me, both longbow and recurve. Sharp, durable and easy to sharpen. And reasonably priced.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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anti gov I had a muzzy look like those after busting through a pelvis and staying in it when it ran off. I replaced the blades didn't realize I should have patented them.and marketed it. .
seriously I have seen those in the shelf and thought about trying them. how do they fly.
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Wasp Jak Hammer 100 grain 3 blade
For deer you bet use them also. Yes...whitetails. Have never shot any other critter with the Wasps. Have killed a bunch of deer and feral hogs with Muzzy 90 gr 4 blade, but that 1" cut leaves no room for error.
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Started out with thunderhead 125's back in the 80's. Got on the mechanical kick in the 90's and 2000's mid 2010's went to the Trophy Taker shuttle T lock 100 grain and never looked back. Been using in my crossbow for about 5 years now super accurate great penetration big blood trails. If I do my part most fall within 30 yards.
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Killed a few muleys with my old bear recurve and bear broadheads. Have not seen them in quite awhile. Had a little insert. Main blade was kinda triangle shaped. 35 yards was about as far as I would shoot. Never shot elk or bear with a bow.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones. I shot 155gr Grizzly LW single bevels for a ling time and killed a number of different species. Going with the Abowyer Wapiti 175gr LW this year
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones. For the record, recovery rates on deer shot with mechanical broadheads, whether out of a verticle bow or crossbow, are higher than they are on fixed blade broadheads. Im thinking there are a few folks that need to put their 'training wheels' back on are we talking about every deer shot with bows or ones that guys call the tracking dogs for?
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones. For the record, recovery rates on deer shot with mechanical broadheads, whether out of a verticle bow or crossbow, are higher than they are on fixed blade broadheads. Im thinking there are a few folks that need to put their 'training wheels' back on Guy that brought his tracking dog out to find my deer wouldn't agree with u. Last I heard they were tracking over a 100 deer a year with their dog so they have a lot of first hand experience.
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Tracking dog guy certainly has some experience tracking dogs, but probably not real scientific. Here is a study that is likely more scientific and more believable for me. I will state for the record, everone should shoot whatever they're comfortable with, but dont try to poopoo others....especially when the facts appear to conclude just the opposite....
https://deerassociation.com/high-deer-recovery-rates-fixed-blade-mechanical-broadheads/#:~:text=Mechanical%20vs.,209%20out%20of%20230%20hit). .
Interesting that they don’t even mention traditional archers! Mechanicals are a strict no-no for trad shooters! The trad guys place a higher emphasis on “hunting”, getting close, rather than pulling a trigger at 60 plus yards
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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Tracking dog guy certainly has some experience tracking dogs, but probably not real scientific. Here is a study that is likely more scientific and more believable for me. I will state for the record, everone should shoot whatever they're comfortable with, but dont try to poopoo others....especially when the facts appear to conclude just the opposite....
https://deerassociation.com/high-deer-recovery-rates-fixed-blade-mechanical-broadheads/#:~:text=Mechanical%20vs.,209%20out%20of%20230%20hit). .
Interesting that they don’t even mention traditional archers! Mechanicals are a strict no-no for trad shooters! The trad guys place a higher emphasis on “hunting”, getting close, rather than pulling a trigger at 60 plus yards Im just speculating that the overall percentage of true traditional archers is a very small number compared to wheeled verticle bows and crossbows. I just thought it was an interesting read...
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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Tracking dog guy certainly has some experience tracking dogs, but probably not real scientific. Here is a study that is likely more scientific and more believable for me. I will state for the record, everone should shoot whatever they're comfortable with, but dont try to poopoo others....especially when the facts appear to conclude just the opposite....
https://deerassociation.com/high-deer-recovery-rates-fixed-blade-mechanical-broadheads/#:~:text=Mechanical%20vs.,209%20out%20of%20230%20hit).
I'll try to read the study when I have time. Bottom line for me is I've heard more stories of failure with mechanicals when everything else appeared to done properly than fixed blades. Off the top of my head I've personally never heard of a fixed blade falling when everything else appears to have been done correctly but I'm sure it has happened.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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Tracking dog guy certainly has some experience tracking dogs, but probably not real scientific. Here is a study that is likely more scientific and more believable for me. I will state for the record, everone should shoot whatever they're comfortable with, but dont try to poopoo others....especially when the facts appear to conclude just the opposite....
https://deerassociation.com/high-deer-recovery-rates-fixed-blade-mechanical-broadheads/#:~:text=Mechanical%20vs.,209%20out%20of%20230%20hit).
I know more people that switched back to fixed heads. Another forum I go on that's 99% hunting kinda shows the trend. Many of these guys are hard core. They only bow hunt. They scout year round. It's all they do. They dont fish or golf. They just hunt. I'll take their word and results over a weekend warrior's word any day. Mechanicals do work of course, but they can fail too. The fixed head that's super sharp is better. It just is.
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For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones. I shot 155gr Grizzly LW single bevels for a ling time and killed a number of different species. Going with the Abowyer Wapiti 175gr LW this year I’ve gone to a three blade cutthroat, 250 gr. Very happy with the results. Shot a 250 grain grizzly for years but I kinda like that third blade.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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If you've never lost a single deer after hitting it with a broadhead, then you are either a novice hunter that hasn't had many opportunities, haven't took many deer with a bow, or are not being truthful.
For those that say they've never lost a deer with a bow, then you should qualify that statement with how many you have killed with a bow and arrow.
I've lost about half a dozen since my 1st bowkill in the early 80s. All were bad hits....all my fault. A couple of those appeared to be great hits based on observed arrow impact location.
I've dragged out over 100 whitetails I've killed with a bow and about 4 doz feral hogs.
Shot Muzzy 90 gr 4 blade fixed (1" cut) since the early 80s when Muzzy 1st became a company. All the deer I've lost with bow were when using those Muzzys.
I started using the Wasp Jak-Hammer 100 grain (front end deploying 1.75" cut) about 7 or 8 years ago. I will never change. The wounds are incredible (compared to the Muzzy 90s). I have killed 15 or so deer with these...from 75lb south Ga does to 250+lb north Missouri bucks.
Have made a liver hit that fell within sight and died there. Made a liver hit with a Muzzy that ran 1300 yds and recovered next day.)
Had an arrow deflect off a myrtle bush branch and slice a mature doe across her back. Two of the 3 Wasp blades opened and created what looked like 2 hatchet strikes on her back....above her spine. She made it about 80 yds and collapsed. Took another arrow to finish her. The Muzzy 90 would've not done that.
I've not shot a hog with one yet, but other than directly in the shoulder shield, I'm very confident they'll get 'er done.
I've bought up a bunch of the Wasps...what a fantastic broadhead!
I shoot a Mathews Triax........NOT a crossbow....never have.
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For those that have graduated from using training wheels, any good solid fixed blade! There are several good ones. For the record, recovery rates on deer shot with mechanical broadheads, whether out of a verticle bow or crossbow, are higher than they are on fixed blade broadheads. Im thinking there are a few folks that need to put their 'training wheels' back on I don't believe that for one second.
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If you've never lost a single deer after hitting it with a broadhead, then you are either a novice hunter that hasn't had many opportunities, haven't took many deer with a bow, or are not being truthful.
For those that say they've never lost a deer with a bow, then you should qualify that statement with how many you have killed with a bow and arrow.
I've lost about half a dozen since my 1st bowkill in the early 80s. All were bad hits....all my fault. A couple of those appeared to be great hits based on observed arrow impact location.
I've dragged out over 100 whitetails I've killed with a bow and about 4 doz feral hogs.
Shot Muzzy 90 gr 4 blade fixed (1" cut) since the early 80s when Muzzy 1st became a company. All the deer I've lost with bow were when using those Muzzys.
I started using the Wasp Jak-Hammer 100 grain (front end deploying 1.75" cut) about 7 or 8 years ago. I will never change. The wounds are incredible (compared to the Muzzy 90s). I have killed 15 or so deer with these...from 75lb south Ga does to 250+lb north Missouri bucks.
Have made a liver hit that fell within sight and died there. Made a liver hit with a Muzzy that ran 1300 yds and recovered next day.)
Had an arrow deflect off a myrtle bush branch and slice a mature doe across her back. Two of the 3 Wasp blades opened and created what looked like 2 hatchet strikes on her back....above her spine. She made it about 80 yds and collapsed. Took another arrow to finish her. The Muzzy 90 would've not done that.
I've not shot a hog with one yet, but other than directly in the shoulder shield, I'm very confident they'll get 'er done.
I've bought up a bunch of the Wasps...what a fantastic broadhead!
I shoot a Mathews Triax........NOT a crossbow....never have.
Ive killed about 20 in archery, all but one with a xbow. Only clean missed once. Clipped belly hairs of two. The rest have found the freeze, all through the lung and a couple clipped heats. Never yet gut shot one with either. Only gut shot one with a gun....
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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Someone mentioned the Shuttle T…that little joker is deadly on hogs! Used all three I had on pigs and recovered all three pigs.
My main issue with mechanicals is hitting solid bone. And yes, I’ve lost deer in the past and don’t want to ever do it again. I will say I’ve learned a lot with age, probably all my deer were recoverable “IF” I’d waited on tracking them. I’ve had deer recovery guys tell me if it’s a Booner, aim dead center of that deer and just watch the way it runs off. They said don’t even go to the spot, climb down go to the truck and give them a call. They’ll meet up in about 8hrs and find my deer dead. This dog guy said he is 100% on gut shot deer. He sorta has a point, if there’s blood everywhere anyone can follow it. His favorite broadhead is a mechanical, it guarantees him and his dogs plenty of work.
I will say I saw a G5 MegaMeat go through the shoulder bone and even got an exit. What was the crazy part, it only slightly bent one blade and we assume it was the bone and not the root the arrow was buried in. I’m now just partial to fixed blades just incase I hit a bone. None of us plan on it, but it does happen. We watched all our deer fall within sight the last couple of years and I used the Montecs/Exodus and my son used the MegaMeats…about 8 deer total. We skin every archery shot deer to see the damage and what organs are hit. Hit lungs, heart, liver or any combo and it’s a dead deer regardless of whether it’s a 1” hole or 2” hole. And even though we watch the drop, we still give them at least 15-20 minutes before climbing down and tracking them.
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https://youtu.be/UuOQL063Sy4?si=dj-jNe7TRWDuIQhUI don't follow these guys so I'm not sure how solid they are on all their views but it's pretty discussion on fixed blades and mechanicals . Their story seems to be a pretty common theme amongst hunters Heavy arrow guys..^^^^ My arrow with bh attached weigh 430 grains. Their's work....Mine works. They get pass thrus....I get pass thrus. My rig is shooting that 430 grain arrow at 290fps.....(68 lbs)
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For the record, recovery rates on deer shot with mechanical broadheads, whether out of a verticle bow or crossbow, are higher than they are on fixed blade broadheads. Im thinking there are a few folks that need to put their 'training wheels' back on [/quote] I don't believe that for one second.[/quote] Well Wi Outdoors, we are all welcome to our beliefs, just yours dont appear to be backed by anything except opinion. If thats incorrect, please expound for us so we can all learn something here tonight. I didnt post the link to that study to stir the pot, just thought it was interesting information and certainly provided some interesting data that Ive not seen before. Maybe you have something that contradicts the data...?
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Re: Broadhead Talk
[Re: SGT. C]
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09/10/24 05:51 PM
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Fun watching bowhunting videos from 30 years ago. Guys shooting fat aluminum arrows, 220f.p.s. arrows and mostly complete pass through using plain old Muzzy,ThunderHeads. Fast forwards 30 years, the latest n greatest bows,arrows. 50% of the deer shown being shot, 1/2 the arrow sticking out. Sickens me. I've bloodtrailed 100s of bear,deer. Mech heads have accounted for the vast majority of lost critters. Mech heads were intended for accuracy when they first came out. Anyone now days that can't get a fixed blade head to fly great at " typical" 30 yards and under should quite bowhunting and take up golf. 2 holes are better then one. Edited to add:, full penetration is much easier to get with arrows fletched with feathers over stiff vanes. Apples to apples, deer will freak out and run farther if they have an arrow sticking out of the instead of a clean pass thru. Chew on That!! JByrd and Texas T will chime in shortly with their worldly "No"ledge.
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swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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09/10/24 07:40 PM
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https://youtu.be/UuOQL063Sy4?si=dj-jNe7TRWDuIQhUI don't follow these guys so I'm not sure how solid they are on all their views but it's pretty discussion on fixed blades and mechanicals . Their story seems to be a pretty common theme amongst hunters Heavy arrow guys..^^^^ My arrow with bh attached weigh 430 grains. Their's work....Mine works. They get pass thrus....I get pass thrus. My rig is shooting that 430 grain arrow at 290fps.....(68 lbs) Your deer are tiny in Florida.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
[Re: SGT. C]
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09/10/24 07:50 PM
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WIOutdoors, If you would go back and read my posts you'd see I've punched thru 250plus lb bucks in north Missouri.
With the Triax and Wasps since 2018...about 4 big bodied north Missouri bucks.
My deep South Ga bucks average about 135 to 140 for a 3.5 to 4.5 year old buck deer.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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09/10/24 08:07 PM
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Punch m perfect, probably don't matter. Double lung/ heart shot it's a dead deer. An exit hole while sitting in a tree should be a gimme with bows,arrows now days. Watching videos of seeing a deer shot center lungs and seeing it run off with 1/2 the arrow sticking out sucks. I've yet to have a Muzzy not " deploy". Oh well, let's call in a dog tracker inn the morning, us hunters don't care bout the meat anyway.
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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09/10/24 08:14 PM
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Punch m perfect, probably don't matter. Double lung/ heart shot it's a dead deer. An exit hole while sitting in a tree should be a gimme with bows,arrows now days. Watching videos of seeing a deer shot center lungs and seeing it run off with 1/2 the arrow sticking out sucks. I've yet to have a Muzzy not " deploy". Oh well, let's call in a dog tracker inn the morning, us hunters don't care bout the meat anyway. I love muzzys, but also have never once lost a single deer shot with a jackhammers or Grimreapers. can't say the same about fixed blades. infact I can't prove it but the 4 deer I have lost with a bow likely would have been recovered had I had the 1 3/4 cut instead of the 11/8."
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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09/10/24 08:28 PM
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Punch m perfect, probably don't matter. Double lung/ heart shot it's a dead deer. An exit hole while sitting in a tree should be a gimme with bows,arrows now days. Watching videos of seeing a deer shot center lungs and seeing it run off with 1/2 the arrow sticking out sucks. I've yet to have a Muzzy not " deploy". Oh well, let's call in a dog tracker inn the morning, us hunters don't care bout the meat anyway. I love muzzys, but also have never once lost a single deer shot with a jackhammers or Grimreapers. can't say the same about fixed blades. infact I can't prove it but the 4 deer I have lost with a bow likely would have been recovered had I had the 1 3/4 cut instead of the 11/8." That's speculation. I've seen broadheads found lodged in deer that should have killed them but didn't. They were found a year or two later after another hunter killed it. Lots of strange things happen in this game if you've been in it long enough. We all know that.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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09/10/24 08:57 PM
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These are the latest 2 bucks I've killed with arrows. Both in 2022. Biggest is north Missouri. 8 pt is less than a mile from my home near the Ga-Fl state line. Both pass thrus with the Wasp mechanical and 430 grain Black Eagle arrows. A blind man could've followed the blood trails by feel. Killed only a doe last season with the bow. It's all fun!!!
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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09/10/24 11:15 PM
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Tracking dog guy certainly has some experience tracking dogs, but probably not real scientific. Here is a study that is likely more scientific and more believable for me. I will state for the record, everone should shoot whatever they're comfortable with, but dont try to poopoo others....especially when the facts appear to conclude just the opposite....
https://deerassociation.com/high-deer-recovery-rates-fixed-blade-mechanical-broadheads/#:~:text=Mechanical%20vs.,209%20out%20of%20230%20hit).
I know more people that switched back to fixed heads. Another forum I go on that's 99% hunting kinda shows the trend. Many of these guys are hard core. They only bow hunt. They scout year round. It's all they do. They dont fish or golf. They just hunt. I'll take their word and results over a weekend warrior's word any day. Mechanicals do work of course, but they can fail too. The fixed head that's super sharp is better. It just is. I do all the things you mentioned and would definitely not call myself a "weekend warrior". Back in 82 my first broadhead was the Thunderheads in 125. Switched to the jakhammers in the mid 90's and never looked back unless shooting pass throughs. Dabbled a bit over the years but settled in on the RAGE hypodermics for both my vertical bow and wifes crossbow. Son, daughter, son in law, daughter in law all shoot the same thing. NEVER had one issue with a mechanical head. They leave bigger holes and more blood on the ground and most drop within easy eye sight in the thick north woods of Wisconsin. With a couple hundred animals shot with these I'd say they are pretty reliable. The argument either way is a nonsense one. Both styles are reliable and efficient and if it gives a person confidence in their equipment then whichever someone decides to go with is the right one to use. If you asked a hundred "die hards" which they prefer I guarantee the numbers will be very similar. Ask me how I know.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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09/11/24 06:43 AM
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wi outdoors what's not speculation is the fact I have never lost a deer with the two expanding heads I listed above out of dozens. but I have lost them with fixed blades. it's not tow hard to understand an extra 3/4" cut ya almost double the size hole would have increased the chance of cutting up the lungs and important thing more than the smaller hole it got.. like I clearly stated I can't prove it but think it is likely they would have been recovered. Even in what I wrote I clearly say I can't prove it but believe. so it's my opinion based on years of experience. Yet you feel the need to post talking about speculation.
your right it can't be proven. had a friend hit a nice buck high in the back with an expanding head. He was on the ground so flat shot angle actually angering slightly up becus the deer was on a small hill. He didn't find it . 2 weeks later it was back on Camara with big hole in his back that was healing nicely. it was the same shot location of every deer I have lost so yes its possible it may not have made a difference on a few of them mainly the ones that were longer shots with little to no downward angle. But I believe the Close shots with steep angles it would have made all the difference. But like I said It can't be proven. yet I have never lost a single deer shooting an expanding head personally but I can't say the same for fixed blades. there are some real junk expanding heads with week bladed that break off. I will never shoot a rage at a deer again once was enough Gave the rest of them away..
fixed blades are better on heavy bone mechanicals are less likely to have a blade hit a twig and deflect and leave a bigger blood trail. shot a squirrel once I would not have killed had I been shooting an expanding head at the time. a single blade cut its throat would have missed with an expanding head most likely.
there are pros and cons to everything. I have killed a lot of deer with a bow . Killed my first several deer with a bow at about 13. Several years I bow hunted all gun season never taking a gun hunting. any head will work some better than others. some guys say they like here I wouldn't hunt with becuse the tend to wind plane and loose blades easily. But it's what they like and works for them and I don't say a thing about it to them..
But lots of experts sure chime in their opinion and the best part is they state they got their opinions about them based on what they see on tv NOT personal experience. let that sink in. No expert. Just sharing what I've seen over the years. We're all having a conversation here. Not a pissing match. We're all on the same team. I personally don't care what others shoot.
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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09/11/24 08:04 PM
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I will give the swacks a try. Plenty of does still around from last year. Whack a couple. Then settle in for.the big boy. Sarge
A hero voluntary walks into the dangers of the unknown Freedom is accomplished by good men willing to do bad things to bad people
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Re: Broadhead Talk
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09/11/24 08:22 PM
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Imma gonna shoot my bear this year with a V_Max bullet. If I punch him right..., it " might" work.
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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