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Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216713
09/15/24 11:35 PM
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40 acres is small .....they must have been on an adjacent property.....dogs don't read signs or gps....just saying


Prolly they should have gathered the dogs and left


No killum bear .....better luck next time


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Re: Trespassers [Re: waggler] #8216717
09/16/24 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by waggler
Hound dogs have a hard time reading signs, and they duck under fences without a second thought.

In timber country where I grew up, if it didn't have a fence or a tilled field it was fair-game for hunting. I think that custom originated from Scandivavian culture.


Unless the hounds were carrying guns, the owners should have been able to read and ask permission.

Re: Trespassers [Re: jbyrd63] #8216719
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
to bad you get in trouble If you deal with them like they deserve. Should be able to walk in their front door and shoot their Pets. No difference between the two to me.


Difference is if you walk in someone’s front door carrying a gun Odds are some one will carry you out



read what is there not what you think is there. That it's to bad you would get into trouble IF.

Not that I will or would. people would be more respectful if this country had not gone so soft.

Re: Trespassers [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #8216730
09/16/24 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
Before everyone became so sensitive , no one really cared if someone hunted on their property.
Everyone got along, and often hunted each others property.
I loved the 1950's and early 1960's , when no one cared if you hunted their property , as long as you didn't trash it!
Then city people came out and thought it's free land, and do as you please, chop down the trees for fun. shoot the sap buckets because it's a target.
Shoot the sheep because it's an animal.
It was so much better back then , no one really cared until someone started to destroy everything through pure ignorance.
Now everyone thinks , hey lets see if we can climb that hill with this ATV or 4 wheel drive truck .
Hey no one is around just throw this can and our garbage in a pile here.
Respect has gone out of our lives, because of people that have no idea about life outside their city lives.


There are more stupid people now that don’t realize they are stupid.


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Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216734
09/16/24 03:50 AM
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Here in NH, if the land is not posted it is open to hunting. No permission is needed.

Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216736
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There are a couple guide groups in your area that don't care, they even get trespassing tickets often and it doesn't seem to faze them, they also train heavy in your area. I also know a lot of local guides that wouldn't run without permission and several others that only run state land because it's getting tough to get permission. I would try to ask an adjacent landowner, preferably someone that's fulltime- they'll know every pickup truck and who it is, I would be polite and make it well known that you do not want hunters and dogs on your property. The risk you run is- if your family is planning to sit baits in upcoming years, you don't want your target bears run, if you have adjoining lands where it's allowed- hounds man can try to control the dogs, but the bear is unpredictable. You can post it and add gates to entrances as a deterrent, but nothing will say "No" better than you guys being there- it's a tough one.

Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216740
09/16/24 04:08 AM
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A guy from PA bought the property next to me to hunt. I got to know his family and if I didn’t recognize a vehicle there I made an inquiry. I don’t understand the thought process to trespass. Do you just ride around and think this looks like a good place to hunt and go hunting? There is probably 4,000 acres of state land within a ten minute drive that can be hunted but I guess some folks see no trespassing signs as a dare. lol


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Re: Trespassers [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8216741
09/16/24 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
A guy from PA bought the property next to me to hunt. I got to know his family and if I didn’t recognize a vehicle there I made an inquiry. I don’t understand the thought process to trespass. Do you just ride around and think this looks like a good place to hunt and go hunting? There is probably 4,000 acres of state land within a ten minute drive that can be hunted but I guess some folks see no trespassing signs as a dare. lol

They ride around with the strike dog on the hood of the truck, attached to an eyebolt and a piece of indoor/outdoor carpet- when he lets loose- they dump the dogs. In winter, they drive the same roads after a snow and look for a fresh set of cat tracks- the same groups run cats and bears for the most part.

Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216747
09/16/24 04:53 AM
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So it’s the dog’s fault. lol


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Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216758
09/16/24 05:31 AM
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I miss the days when this country was not so crowded that 40 acres was a land baron.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216760
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Like it or not, this kind of stuff is what’s going to get hound hunting shutdown in some areas. It’s been a big topic of discussion in my state for the last 15 years or more. Population is increasing, wood lots are getting smaller and right or wrong, folks think they can still do what they’ve always done. Most of the folks I know who complain about the dogs understand you can’t stop them from crossing lines they don’t know exist, it’s when their owners shoot the game or purposely put their dogs out to jump game in posted areas that causes all of the issues.

Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216761
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That is one of the reasons I no longer have hounds anymore for coon hunting. It is impossible now to release one around here without a good chance you will end up on somebody's deer lease or a 40 acre baron's property. Best reason IMO to stop all this immigration. We have plenty of people here now.


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Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216767
09/16/24 06:06 AM
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We deal with that during deer season. Their excuse is that the dogs don't know where the property lines are. No but the hunter does. You need to press charges or they'll just keep trespassing. I tried being the nice guy and the next thing I knew I had hunters killing deer behind my house. Then the dog hunters can't figure out why they keep getting more and more restrictions. Eventually hunting deer and bears with dogs will come to an end and they can only blame themselves but it'll be your fault!

Re: Trespassers [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #8216768
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Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
Originally Posted by chippewatrapper
Today I got a text from a fella that lives near our family forty in rusk county Wisconsin. Apparently some hound hunters treed and shot a bear on our marked property (without permission). It doesn't bother me that they killed the bear, it's that they did it on my family's property.



Before everyone became so sensitive , no one really cared if someone hunted on their property.
Everyone got along, and often hunted each others property.
I loved the 1950's and early 1960's , when no one cared if you hunted their property , as long as you didn't trash it!
Then city people came out and thought it's free land, and do as you please, chop down the trees for fun. shoot the sap buckets because it's a target.
Shoot the sheep because it's an animal.
It was so much better back then , no one really cared until someone started to destroy everything through pure ignorance.
Now everyone thinks , hey lets see if we can climb that hill with this ATV or 4 wheel drive truck .
Hey no one is around just throw this can and our garbage in a pile here.
Respect has gone out of our lives, because of people that have no idea about life outside their city lives.

That would still work except the deer hunters with dogs will have you arrested if you hunt on their lease. But it's OK if they hunt on your property.

Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216769
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Hounds do not understand property lines, but people should. They should have looked you up to see if it is ok to go on your land to take that bear. If at night, and probably was, they should wait until morning. that is how we did coon hunting long time ago for me......jk


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Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216773
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The penalties for trespass used to be more severe… just ask some of those mountain men who lost their hair in the Rockies!


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Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216776
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Haha, you picked the wrong site to talk about trespassing. We had guys on camera cross a posted gate with a shotgun and folks on here condemned us for pressing charges, lol. And had their father been nice about it we wouldn’t have, but show your butt and face the consequences.

In your situation, we wouldn’t have an issue with just retrieving the dogs. Shooting the bear is the issue. Dogs can’t read and hunter’s can’t get in front of them fast enough to catch them before trespassing. We have hog dog hunters and they let us and surrounding landowners know when they’re running. All we’ve ever asked is if their dogs bay up on our property or they have to retrieve them, just give us a holler letting us know they’re on the property. Sometimes they’ll release on ours and sometimes other properties, either way they always call and let us know. Don’t know how far bears run, but hogs can go for miles.

Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216779
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In these small towns- nepotism runs rampant, I would start with, approaching who it was and state " I'm the new owner and appreciate you may have run your hounds through my property in the past, but it will no longer be allowed, I don't want to see you get a trespassing ticket in the future and I wanted to introduce myself". He's been warned... after that it's a Rusk County Sheriff's call.

Re: Trespassers [Re: chippewatrapper] #8216785
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Regardless of what the laws says for your state the courteous thing is to ask. Don't people have some sort of guilt just rooming around on others land? I have some of the problem and mostly people from one state. Not sure what their laws are there but it is interesting that 90% of the problems come from out of state hunters.

I guess I just don't understand people not asking regardless of the law. I catch a lot with cameras and turn them ovah to the law.


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Re: Trespassers [Re: waggler] #8216792
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Originally Posted by waggler
Hound dogs have a hard time reading signs, and they duck under fences without a second thought.

In timber country where I grew up, if it didn't have a fence or a tilled field it was fair-game for hunting. I think that custom originated from Scandivavian culture.


The dogs didnt shoot the bear....the trespassers did. They could have fetched their dogs and left without killing the bear since it was private property. This business with dogs not reading is nonsense

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