Today I got a text from a fella that lives near our family forty in rusk county Wisconsin. Apparently some hound hunters treed and shot a bear on our marked property (without permission). It doesn't bother me that they killed the bear, it's that they did it on my family's property. In a world where so many people are trying to limit hunting and trapping rights, ya'd think that everyone would be a little bit more careful what they do where.

to bad you get in trouble I'd you deal with them like they deserve. Should be able to walk in their front door and shoot their Pets. No difference between the two to me.

Are the lines clearly marked and posted?

Difference is if you walk in someone’s front door carrying a gun Odds are some one will carry you out

How do you stop good dogs?

glad you said it....

Before everyone became so sensitive , no one really cared if someone hunted on their property.
Everyone got along, and often hunted each others property.
I loved the 1950's and early 1960's , when no one cared if you hunted their property , as long as you didn't trash it!
Then city people came out and thought it's free land, and do as you please, chop down the trees for fun. shoot the sap buckets because it's a target.
Shoot the sheep because it's an animal.
It was so much better back then , no one really cared until someone started to destroy everything through pure ignorance.
Now everyone thinks , hey lets see if we can climb that hill with this ATV or 4 wheel drive truck .
Hey no one is around just throw this can and our garbage in a pile here.
Respect has gone out of our lives, because of people that have no idea about life outside their city lives.

Why would it have to be clearly marked and posted??? You never hunt anywhere here without asking first. You have to have the responsibility as a hunter to know where YOU are at.

^^^^^ This^^^^ I can run 30 miles of dike or field edge still on my 4 wheeler, until the city and the highway bridge that has guard rail and no bank to go under

That's a real smart idea to walk into someone's house and shoot there pets.

Used to be didn't need to be posted as long as it was fenced but now fences don't mean squat to some

^^^^That was in the question,,,,,,LINES CLEARLY MARKED......
Sound like you never run dogs..^^^

Unfortunately it's a common problem. It's one thing to be way out in the woods and do this, which is still very dishonest and carries heavy ramifications if caught, but to poach animals in a suburb, off a highway, etc takes a very special person. I've heard stories of bullets flying through houses, arrows through windows. Elk and deer shot and left in the yard. Like one fellow just posted here that someone though it would be funny to run over his catch with a snow mobile. The law is way too lenient on the special people if you ask me.

The law is clear and is written the same in most every state.

3 wire fence does not count as a private property marker
Signs 5 to the mile --fence or no fence
5 wire or better fence is private property, no sign needed

As it relates to trespassing, if you're asked to leave, you had better do it, marked or not

Shooting animals on private land without permission is poaching. Doesn't matter if it's marked or not.

A fence in WA constitutes a property line after 7 years, even if it is on yours.....Court battle after that.
Neighbor put lines on are property and put in a fence, after a survey to try to establish this.

Why would it have to be clearly marked and posted??? You never hunt anywhere here without asking first. You have to have the responsibility as a hunter to know where YOU are at. [/quote]

Used to be didn't need to be posted as long as it was fenced but now fences don't mean squat to some[/quote]


Wisconsin doesn't require private property to be marked. It is legally the hunters responsibility to know where they are.

Personally I don’t see what the big deal is. If you don’t care if they killed the bear and they didn’t do any damage to the property why even think twice about it?

Stuff happens running dogs,,,, Did you call the police or Game department/?

Hound dogs have a hard time reading signs, and they duck under fences without a second thought.

In timber country where I grew up, if it didn't have a fence or a tilled field it was fair-game for hunting. I think that custom originated from Scandivavian culture.

I have coonhunted for over 50 years.back when I started like was mentioned you could ask anyone to hunt and gain permission.even had guys tell me don't ask me in the future just go but I always asked for permission every fall.now times have changed as alot of the property has been bought by people that don't allow hunting.my dogs have gotten onto property that iam not supposed to be on and have went in and caught them and got out of there.i don't like doing it but it's a fact of life anymore if you hunt with Hounds your going to end up on property your not supposed to be on.

40 acres is small .....they must have been on an adjacent property.....dogs don't read signs or gps....just saying


Prolly they should have gathered the dogs and left


No killum bear .....better luck next time

Unless the hounds were carrying guns, the owners should have been able to read and ask permission.

read what is there not what you think is there. That it's to bad you would get into trouble IF.

Not that I will or would. people would be more respectful if this country had not gone so soft.

There are more stupid people now that don’t realize they are stupid.

Here in NH, if the land is not posted it is open to hunting. No permission is needed.

There are a couple guide groups in your area that don't care, they even get trespassing tickets often and it doesn't seem to faze them, they also train heavy in your area. I also know a lot of local guides that wouldn't run without permission and several others that only run state land because it's getting tough to get permission. I would try to ask an adjacent landowner, preferably someone that's fulltime- they'll know every pickup truck and who it is, I would be polite and make it well known that you do not want hunters and dogs on your property. The risk you run is- if your family is planning to sit baits in upcoming years, you don't want your target bears run, if you have adjoining lands where it's allowed- hounds man can try to control the dogs, but the bear is unpredictable. You can post it and add gates to entrances as a deterrent, but nothing will say "No" better than you guys being there- it's a tough one.

A guy from PA bought the property next to me to hunt. I got to know his family and if I didn’t recognize a vehicle there I made an inquiry. I don’t understand the thought process to trespass. Do you just ride around and think this looks like a good place to hunt and go hunting? There is probably 4,000 acres of state land within a ten minute drive that can be hunted but I guess some folks see no trespassing signs as a dare. lol

They ride around with the strike dog on the hood of the truck, attached to an eyebolt and a piece of indoor/outdoor carpet- when he lets loose- they dump the dogs. In winter, they drive the same roads after a snow and look for a fresh set of cat tracks- the same groups run cats and bears for the most part.

So it’s the dog’s fault. lol

I miss the days when this country was not so crowded that 40 acres was a land baron.

Like it or not, this kind of stuff is what’s going to get hound hunting shutdown in some areas. It’s been a big topic of discussion in my state for the last 15 years or more. Population is increasing, wood lots are getting smaller and right or wrong, folks think they can still do what they’ve always done. Most of the folks I know who complain about the dogs understand you can’t stop them from crossing lines they don’t know exist, it’s when their owners shoot the game or purposely put their dogs out to jump game in posted areas that causes all of the issues.

That is one of the reasons I no longer have hounds anymore for coon hunting. It is impossible now to release one around here without a good chance you will end up on somebody's deer lease or a 40 acre baron's property. Best reason IMO to stop all this immigration. We have plenty of people here now.

We deal with that during deer season. Their excuse is that the dogs don't know where the property lines are. No but the hunter does. You need to press charges or they'll just keep trespassing. I tried being the nice guy and the next thing I knew I had hunters killing deer behind my house. Then the dog hunters can't figure out why they keep getting more and more restrictions. Eventually hunting deer and bears with dogs will come to an end and they can only blame themselves but it'll be your fault!

That would still work except the deer hunters with dogs will have you arrested if you hunt on their lease. But it's OK if they hunt on your property.

Hounds do not understand property lines, but people should. They should have looked you up to see if it is ok to go on your land to take that bear. If at night, and probably was, they should wait until morning. that is how we did coon hunting long time ago for me......jk

The penalties for trespass used to be more severe… just ask some of those mountain men who lost their hair in the Rockies!

Haha, you picked the wrong site to talk about trespassing. We had guys on camera cross a posted gate with a shotgun and folks on here condemned us for pressing charges, lol. And had their father been nice about it we wouldn’t have, but show your butt and face the consequences.

In your situation, we wouldn’t have an issue with just retrieving the dogs. Shooting the bear is the issue. Dogs can’t read and hunter’s can’t get in front of them fast enough to catch them before trespassing. We have hog dog hunters and they let us and surrounding landowners know when they’re running. All we’ve ever asked is if their dogs bay up on our property or they have to retrieve them, just give us a holler letting us know they’re on the property. Sometimes they’ll release on ours and sometimes other properties, either way they always call and let us know. Don’t know how far bears run, but hogs can go for miles.

In these small towns- nepotism runs rampant, I would start with, approaching who it was and state " I'm the new owner and appreciate you may have run your hounds through my property in the past, but it will no longer be allowed, I don't want to see you get a trespassing ticket in the future and I wanted to introduce myself". He's been warned... after that it's a Rusk County Sheriff's call.

Regardless of what the laws says for your state the courteous thing is to ask. Don't people have some sort of guilt just rooming around on others land? I have some of the problem and mostly people from one state. Not sure what their laws are there but it is interesting that 90% of the problems come from out of state hunters.

I guess I just don't understand people not asking regardless of the law. I catch a lot with cameras and turn them ovah to the law.

The dogs didnt shoot the bear....the trespassers did. They could have fetched their dogs and left without killing the bear since it was private property. This business with dogs not reading is nonsense

No trash in the ditches in the 50s and 60's made me laugh. Seems I find all sorts of old dump sites in ditches and off old logging roads some older than the 50's but lots around that era. Many people have rose colored glasses when it comes to their past, forgetting the stuff they did and blaming the new guys.

Isn't that something!!!! Liars and cheaters and law breakers all think that way. Every excuse in the book not to be a rule follower! lol

Agree with this.

I occasionally have coon hunters trespass on me as a I have a couple of miles of good creeks. The dogs didn't drive themselves there and let themselves out of their kennels. Dogs also don't know what a fence or property boundary is. This is a people problem--the dogs are just ancillary.

It is an annoying part of the hunting culture and I'm glad it's not a bigger deal down here (at least in my part of the state).

My experience with hounds (cougars, bobcats and bears) has involved chases that often cover miles of ground, where the land owners, whether government or private, own 10's of thousands or 100's of thousands of acres.

How can anyone expect their dogs to not cross onto other people's property where the land ownership consist of small tracts? Not trying to justify trespassing; just a little bewildered.

This is a common complaint we get in Wisconsin every September. The Wisconsin Bear Hunters Association is well connected in the legislature and it's unlikely anything will change with hound hunting in Wisconsin anytime soon. There's already 2 months during the summer anybody and their brother, resident or not, can train hounds in Wisconsin without a license. Plus another month during the season whether you have a tag or not.

I've talked to some guys that run dogs, they did it right and talked to us before season to get permission to come retrieve dogs that end up on our land. We own 80 acres surrounded by a huge tract of county land, and we maintain a road system that they use to come get dogs. We did have to change locks on our gate a couple years back when we found out there were more keys out there than we knew about and we would routinely have 10-12 vehicles driving through our property every couple days July-September.

Those guys said some of these bears can go 5 miles or more when getting chased. So good luck finding a spot that's 5 miles from private and hoping the bears don't go any further.

Give me the bear or I will call the SO.

Spot on, these people know they will at some point be trespassing. They just don’t care, and use the illiterate dog excuse as justification.

You'd fit right in with some of the deer doggers down here in the South.

They couldn't care less if a landowner has planted food plots, maintained his roads in good condition, etc.

"Yall know them dogs can't read posted signs."

Well, here in Georgia...we had enough of that nonsense. Now the deer hound owner can be charged for allowing his hound to get on someone else's property.

That stopped most of that BS.

Waggler, I dont think anyone expects their dogs will never venture on private ground....but that doesnt mean its ok to shoot the bear. The hunters could have retrieved their hounds without killing the bear. Im a little bewildered you dont 6nderstand that..?

Not even close to being the same in every state. But Ill bet them trespassers knew the law in Wisconsin, which is the only law that matters up there.

Isn't it the truth? Our sportsman club, we put up wood duck houses on a WMA that has a creek running through it. Two years later, we checked them out to see if they were being used. They were all shot up. Sure gives hunters a bad name.

In this day and age of GPS tracking & shocking collars....there is NO excuse for this. It's the hunters that allowed the hounds to proceed.

I've watched deer houndsmen stop a hot race instantantly by beeping the collars. This was when the pack was less than 150yds behind the buck......but he crossed the last available logging road and was headed into private property.

All dogs in the pack stopped in the road and came towards the truck to load up. They knew after the beep that a shock was next.

in WI its 2 signs per 40 acres. You enter that and your trespassing. Criminally liable.
If its not marked its still not "open" land. You can be told to leave and not return, return and your criminally liable.

This is the biggest negative issue with hound hunting, the trespassing.

Which side of the 40 do you put your signs...? Doesn't seem like a well written law...2 signs arent much for covering 4 sides of a 40

SO CHOOT DEM !!!

It can't happen soon enough, IMO !!!

My main issue with trespassing is a safety issue. one of my wifes Aunt was around 60 and was watching her infant grand daughter while her daughter was at work. her daughter came to pick up her kid to find the baby asleep in the crib but grandma and her car was gone.. This is in a rule country area and many family members live in that section of ground.. a search was started. a day or two later Sandy (grandma) was found dead shot mutipal time in the head by a farmer. Some dope head that had been visiting a trashy family member down the road abducted her killed her and stole her car.

I had the son of a neighbor down the road thats about 30 and known dope head park at my gate cross my overgrown field about 400 yards to approch my neighbors house unseen. He couldn't get through the gate and fence the neighbor has at the road but he could climb mine and there is no fence between my newborn and I . He then started geting aggressive with my neighbors 16 year old son about driving to fast past his house with his kids playing.

OK his kids that are always out in the middle of the road and his dad (grandpa) is raising because he is such a useless dope head and now he cares about them. Get them out of the road for a start! Second the kid he was trespassing to mouth off to drives very reasonably especially for a young kid with flashy beefed up new Mustang ( kids dad is a big shot at ford) It has a great deep throaty sound and sounds fast just creeping down his drive way.

There have been a few incidents around the country in the last several years trespassers have shot land owners.

I see it as my yard is a small 96 acres. my wife and kids are all over it at all times. My boys are alway out running it, my daughter likes to take walks and workes the pup, my wife may be taking a walk or out feeding the bees. yes my yard is bigger than the fenced back yard of a subdivision but I expect the same level of respect of my rights and even more safety for my family since ther are less people around.


If the strung out 30 year old would have came across my kids when he was trespassing in such a bad mental state he thought what he was doing was not only ok but a good idea how would he have reacted when the boys told him to get.

It's where we live not some place we go from recreation and get away or to hunt. Anyone trespassing is already in the wrong and you never know their mental state or what they may do. Could be someone looking for a lost dog or it could be some tweaker that picked your place for his meth lab or pot patch.

so to me it's much more serious than just someone trespassed and shot a deer or two on my hunting.land or lease some drive away..

The hunters should have left their Guns/bows off the property. gone in with leashes got their dogs. If they had no permission to hunt there

The law provides for dogs not knowing property lines but hunting where you have no permission just because you treed an animal. Is Still poaching

MN law provides that one can go onto land without permission to retrieve your dog(s) but can not carry a firearm and once you catch your dog(s) must evacuate the premises. Coyote hunters abuse this law as they send in dogs with tracking collars on property that is clearly marked. Then they send in someone without a firearm to go after their dogs never intending on catching them but to help flush out the coyote to the hunters who are parked on the road all around the sections. Not uncommon for them to shoot off the road across fields that they have no permission to hunt on. My biggest pet pev is one day I might catch a dog in a coyote snare on property I have permission to be on but in the end I will look like the bad guy since I caught their dog even though they where trespassing.

BTW, going onto someones property without permission in order to retrieve your dogs is still trespass; just saying.

It's so easy to know nowadays what land is private and what is public. No excuse for trespassing, including ignorance. Hunting dogs being on your land without your permission is trespassing and should be reported to the county sheriff for enforcement.

Wisconsin does not require any posting of private property. Not sure where the rumor about 2 signs per 40 came from.

I’ve tried, I just couldn’t pull the trigger on a dog because it has an irresponsible owner.

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Hounds have just as much right in the woods as any game animal. Hunters do not. If you own land in the middle of public land, fence out the wildlife and you will not have a problem. The hunters should not have shot that bear without permission, agreed.

I would suggest you work on your reading compression or just by pass it then. yet you feel compelled to make a post.

maybe this will sum it up for you. People are screwed up today and my family lives on our farm and is all over it as much as typical kids in their small fenced in back yard . You don't want stranger coming into your back yard where your kids are I don't want them in my yard with mine. Just happens my yard is a little bigger than most people's.

Not one singe thing was referring to a rifle shot or safety barrier for bullets. you dreamed that up on your own.

But now that you brought it up My boys have been hit with falling pellets from across the road in our back yard when feeding the chickens.

Not in all states.

Maybe in your state. In mine doge are not a free range animal and are to be controlled. Game wardens and sheriffs have instructed me to shoot them if there is an issue.

Friend has had the same discussion with the CO in his hunting area of KY.

I won't shoot a dog unless it's causing issues. But killing my chickens, chasing my horses, and growling at my kids have all resulted in dead dogs. sometimes I had mad dog owners and tence moments. They were not expecting what they were told when they called the sheriff. The same deputy that told me to shoot them came out and gave them an education and flipped it to the liability they could have if I had pushed the chicken killing property loss or vet bills if my horses were hurt and medical if my kids were.

Once when I was a kid a bunch of trespassers walked up to dad and I back in the woods and we hunted the rest of the day with them. Times sure have changed.

Hounds DO NOT have the "right" to be there as the wildlife. Where do you get that from?

Those hounds are an extension of the hunter (and property of that hunter) and are on the private land because of their owner's incompetence, intentions, and uncaring.

I guess they have the same right to clog up my traps. Trapping season overlaps deer season. I'm trapping my two pieces of property. I put up signs stating the area is being trapped. Signs help a little.

100% disagree with the first sentence.

Also, why is it my responsibility to build a fence to keep someone else's dogs outta my property?

We hunt quite a bit in the public areas of North Central WI. We had looked at purchasing some acreage over the last 20-30 years and from what I read here I am glad we did not buy property.Ownership and especially absentee ownership sure seems to be not honored by a lot of users.

Bryce

Yeah...I'd stay away from buying any land near wide open public land. In most parts of the midwest and Eastern US....it's overhunted.

Now, tightly controlled public land with very few or no hunts is a different story....ie...next to a state park that isn't hunted.

You just can't fix this brand of ignorance !!!

I have found that trespassing hunters and dogs are not very fond of coyote snares and traps. Usually only takes one trip thru our property’s to see the results. I do not feel guilty about what they encounter or the outcomes BTW.. We do allow a few hunters to utilize some of our properties, but prior to them hunting for pheasants and such, I place disc plates over traps and close all my snares for the day/days. Everyone is happy in that scenario. It is not like these people and dogs are just out for a stroll and the dogs get away, in most all cases what happens is intentional, therefore no remorse or pity, only citations when they are caught..

WA banned all dog hunting,,,,,then trapping with conventional equipment,,,, then spring bear……
Sound like you would fit in here

Exactly, If you cant keep my bears off your property, you aint going to keep my dogs off either. Even if you are some liberal from upstate NY.

Ive always figured its a small percentage of houndsmen that act like laws dont apply to them and bring a bad reputation upon themselves....I also figure based on your responses that your are likely a part of the small percentage. What a shame.

Before fences and fence owners

Speed wins

O your dogs may well never leave his property. I take it you only own your house in a subdivision or small acreage. sounds like the typical city person that moves to small acreage and thinks they can just let their dogs run loose. I have made many of those people's dogs no longer alive over the years.

Those dogs look like theyd be fun to hunt behind. Only problem I see is a fella might not get much trigger time as them dogs likely catch em before you can shoot em.

PF you better check Indiana's hunting dog laws again. They have the right to retrieve the dog. And I sure wouldn't shoot a hunting dog unless he was harming livestock.

Killing hounds because they trespass while in pursuit ?

I'm going to refrain from responding to that one.

did you read Any of my post. I clearly stated previously I don't shoot dogs unless they are causing problems and listed instances I consider problems that have made dogs dead. Killing chickens, chasing my horses across the pasture, growling at my kids, growling at me in my barn. Also that the sheriff told me my best option was to shoot them .

what I didn't say Is where the dogs came from. They came from the recently devided farms split into about 2 acres and double wides moved in. They had diggerman mentality and thought they lived in the country now not the trailer park any more and they could let their dogs run all they wanted to. Got mouthy whe asked nicely to control them. Then unfortunately their dogs paid the price for their ignorance.


Diggerman seems to thing the bear on privet land is his and he is entitled to it if you don't fenc your land off . His mind set is quite similar to the trailer trash red neck want a be's I felt with in my early 20s. I'm sure he also doesn't respect people's property rights.

I never have shot a dog not causing issues or a threat to me or my kids. I hate having to do it but it's the owners that are the problem and you can t legally do anything about them. But the dogs the cops say to shoot them. so the dogs pay tor the trash owners mistakes.

he is a great example as to why hound hunters are looked down on and its been getting shut down. But in his mine it's everyone else that in the wrong. After all That bear on your land is his bear. that single quote in my post above shines a very bright light.

I’ve always been amazed just how far your an average dog will stray from home. I just have landowners watch FB for missing dog posts and I look the folks up on OnX. Farthest so far was 5.7 miles as the crow flies. Folks don’t really care about their pets.

I had a what I was told was a king shepherd looking in the open barn door one night. Took him to the house with me feed and water. Wife posted pictures of him on a few local fb group pages. He belonged about 7 miles away. Fellow and dog where both sure happy when I took his back home to him. Dog had nothing on his collar. No tags or phone numbers. It's the rare times like that I think Facebook is positive and useful vs all negative.

I miss the days when if the landowner was not hunting himself nobody cared if you shot a bear. Competition hunting will end all of it. you really think that was the only bear in the county? Neighbor had to tell him. Nobody was even there.

So because he wasn't there, trespass laws don't apply? By that logic, you shouldn't mind if a homeless person takes a nasty dump in your master bathroom every day when you're gone to work.

If it was me, I would find out who it was and buy them 100 pounds of quality dog food. They deserve a hearty thank you for terminating that fawn killing varmit.

Lol....that's another way to think of it...

These trespassing posts always amaze me…

I don’t want some trespasser digging up my jars of gold coins.

It's not about the bear. I don't even care that they went onto my property to retrieve their dogs. But that's where it should have ended. It's called respect. I'm not sure what moral code you live by, but I make sure I stay the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) off other people's land.

Lol

I dont trespass. Its your property. You have every right to deny access. I grew up in a world where nobody cared. I miss it.

Yep those days are gone forever....sad

Hey, for all these folks that don’t mind trespassers or killing things on your land, y’all got any turkeys? Just send me your full name and address in a PM and I’ll take it from there. I’ll make copies of this and hand them back to you if caught.

Give me the time frame, I’m 60+ and don’t remember any such days around here. It’s why purchasing land was desirable. Wouldn’t be any need to own land if everybody was singing “This land is your land, this land is my land…”

I didnt live on the east coast.

Here in wild wild west ranchers were ranchers and farmers were farmers . Century farms
Elk and deer didn't have price tags

That all changed about 40 yrs ago , as far as I recall

The ranches changed hands, and the signs and gates went up ....big money trustafarians

I've talked to ranch hands who can't hunt the ranch they work on .


One ranch guy told me if he was pursuing a deer or elk and it crossed to another property he would just keep going . Like Danny said ... .nobody cared

I started hunting right when hunting and access started going down hill

Hobbie ....Maryland has almost no public land .....perhaps the difference?

No turkeys but you can come shoot some of these does and yearlings I have running around my place.

I got enough here to shoot, lol. Deer is one thing I ain’t traveling for. Thanks for the offer though.

No grouse killers here , if I did you could kill them . I'm not a turkey hunter

I do have some cotton tails , and jack rabbits .....people don't eat them around these parts


Wife says come kill the deer ......eaten all her garden stuff and flowers

Here’s something I haven’t seen mentioned yet…injuries.
In the world we live in, everyone is sue happy. Heck, a motorist attempted to sue a plantation after hitting a deer on a major highway next to the plantation. They “assumed” the plantation was feeding deer and that’s why the deer crossed the road. So if someone will try that, what are they gonna do if they actually get hurt on the land?
We had a dove hunt this weekend and had to sign a waiver before hunting. Trespassers will say it wasn’t fenced/posted/etc and it’s all your fault they got hurt and was on your land.

I’m no lawyer and I believe states vary on their statues but I believe most states have laws that protect the landowner and there has to be some negligence involved. That’s not saying you may have to go to court to prove you weren’t negligent.

So dogs are listed as game animals in WI? Sweet! What are the listed dates on that season? Any caliber restrictions? Got any recipes?

hobby I'm 44 back when I was 13 to about 17 I never heard a think about needing permission. maybe it was becuse I was a kid but no one Said a thing to us when we were out hunting. We were on foot and typically that limited our hunting range to about a 5 mile area max. We hunted everywhere.

seems like a lifetime ago. it started changing when the.tv and big antlers became.all the rage. People started offering to pay to hunt and access, sportsmanship,.and.being neighborly started to vanish.

Forty years ago tree stands and deer hunting articles telling you to sit all day wasn't really a thing around here. None of the farmers cared if you hunted and they hunted with you. Deer ate corn and was the enemy. Those farmers that were old timers in the 80's have all but died off now. Then the ladder stand deer hunters started getting permission and the newer hunters started getting honked off if you walked up on them sitting still all day and they started complaining to the newer land owners and everything started shifting around here. That's what happened here. Waking up Saturday morning and seeing trucks full of orange driving around, everyone from all around meeting at the diner for lunch, deer check in stations... teaming up and hunting together is all a thing of the past. There aren't those deer drives like there used to be. Where everyone was some farmer that knew another farmer and you just drove around all day going from one square to the next and if the farmer wasn't hunting with you they knew the farmer that farmed it and probably ate early breakfast with him that morning in town. Around here dad grew up watching the WWII guys fox hunting in the 50's walking through all the squares. The fox hunters turned into coyote hunters when the fox numbers went down. Dogs got added into the group. The old timers used to talk about how they have walked through every square from Columbus Ohio to Richmond Indiana. It really started changing in the 90's. Its not like that anymore, but that's what happened here and the odd part that people don't seem to understand is that nobody cared back then. It wasn't that they were getting away with trespassing its that it was enjoyable and a sociable thing to do in the community and when you bumped into another hunter and nobody cared. It was more of a reunion. I kind of miss the old timers and what they argued about. I saw a guy shoot a deer and it go down once. We were standing there and it wasn't done yet so another guy dispatched it after asking if it was ok. Then we talked for awhile longer and then those two got into an argument about who was going to tag the ten point buck. The first guy said... I didn't kill that dang thing you did. lol. Come to think about it that was at the intersection of a fence that was on our property and there must have been 12 guys standing there talking and nobody had written permission and nobody really even thought to bring it up. Just a story about how it used to be here. I don't really care to argue with anyone about it. That's just the way it was.

Most of the individuals that believe it’s ok to be on others land- don’t own land. They don’t make habitat improvements, put in plots, pay taxes and work the land to benefit wildlife. Yet somehow- they feel entitled that you should be ok with this and understand their position. Spend your time on state land and not on my dime.

Somewhat similar here, now money talks.

^^this