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Wanting to get started in canning.
Need pressure cooker recommendations for an electric glass top stop.
Primarily canning tomatos, green beans, peppers - regular garden stuff.
Thanks in advance!


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Hard to beat an All American canner. I have their 21Qt canner, and contrary to popular belief, they arent too heavy for my glass top electric stove. A quick call back in the day to GE confirmed the glass top would hold 71 pounds. Having said that, your stove may be different than mine. Im sure there are other good canners out there andd ill let others chime in on those.

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I have been using a Presto on my glass top for a decade now. It does 7 quarts or 10 pints. Mine state not to be used with an open flame. I have a smaller pressure canner for my turkey fryer that does 4 quarts or 7 pints.

I have not ever done any meat. I do almost all tomato products, relishes and some pickles and saur kraut.

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The all american is the top of line money no object. But for the same money you can get three prestos and do continous canning while you're waiting for the one all american to get up to pressure and then cool down.

Assuming you have the space to fit three.


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do you have to use rubber seals on the presto's or is it metal to metal ?


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Originally Posted by Rockfarmer
do you have to use rubber seals on the presto's or is it metal to metal ?


Rubber, readily available and they don't wear out. I might buy one once a decade just because I feel like it, never had one not hold pressure.


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Originally Posted by Rockfarmer
do you have to use rubber seals on the presto's or is it metal to metal ?


My prestos take rubber seal. Easy to find and I always keep a spare on hand. They lasts a long time if you pull it out when storing. If you leave gasket in with lid on when in storage it stays compressed and doesn’t keep its seal as long. I’m over 10 years on my current gaskets.

I’d love an All American but I’m with Warrior on this. I have 3 prestos, 2 here and one in Canada. I can with two at a time here and have less $ in all 3 of them than one all American would cost…….. maybe someday.

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Keep an eye on the online local swaps and you can pick up prestos cheap occasionally an all american pops up.


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Consider the fish fryer burner outside in summer. I've yet to meet the AC system that can out compete canning in our summers, lol.

Had an aunt that kept her old wood burner stove just for that reason. She moved it out to an old chicken house when she got a new gas stove.


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My Presto has a rubber seal. It may need to be replaced some day but have not for the first 10 years. I probably use it 15-20 times per season. I also use the smaller one I mentioned and I do that in the garage.
The other one I have has a non metal seal as well. That one is only 7 years old and no failure with the seal as of yet.
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I have an all american that belonged to my Gramma. I bought a new gauge for it some years back. Replaced a couple of the screw down knobs. I dont know how old it is. She had it ever since I can remember. My Mom used it too. No telling how many thousands of jars its done. You get what you pay for.


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The presto on the right must be 20 years old. Unlike the all American I cant can meat fish and potatoes at 18 pounds. Reduce drastically the chance of botulism

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All American , Presto , and the Old National all take the same dial gauges and weight gauges.
Parts are easy to find at many hardware stores , or here, https://www.cookingandcanning.net/national.html

I use older canners , and find that the old National canners old Presto canners work just as well as the newer canners.
Save your money, you're going to need it.
Search auctions, garage sales, Face Book market place, and Ebay, for them.
I have an old AA 941, and learned that a propane turkey fryer , works great with them.
Do 95% of my canning on a turkey fryer burner.
I have no idea about the newer canners, and have no desire to try them.
I've bought all my canners for very low cost , rebuilt them with a dial gauge and a weight gauge , I take off the spigot , and replace it with a weight gauge.
That gives you three 3 safety valves. Just for those that are afraid of pressure canners.
That's one reason I don't care about the newer electric canners, the saying just set it and forget it, just doesn't sound safe to me.
If I can dig up pictures , I'll post my canners, AA 941 , and an old sterilizer that's almost the same as an AA 941.
Have an old National No. 14 that does 14 quarts at a time, and an old National C 18 that only does 5 quarts at a time, but doesn't need a gasket.


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
The presto on the right must be 20 years old. Unlike the all American I cant can meat fish and potatoes at 18 pounds. Reduce drastically the chance of botulism

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18 Pounds pressure?
I can everything with old National canners , under 15 pounds pressure.
If you have a gauge for 15 pounds , and a dial gauge to verify the pressure, you're all set.
I can everything with a 15 pound weight, and run pressure at 11-13 pounds , just a few hisses, and wobble a minute.
Once you get used to it, you're working on the next batch, while listening to the small hisses , every few seconds.

If the hissing gets more or stops something isn't right.
It's surprising just hoe low a flame needed once the heaver older canners get to pressure.
Almost all my canners are older than I am.


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Whatever the canner, I'll 2nd or 3rd the notion of running it on a propane fish cooker burner.....and moving the heat outside. I'm running mine on a Bayou Classic with 60,000 btu banjo burner.


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No wobbler. Has a safety valve. Starts seeping a little steam at 21-22 pounds. Not sure what it blows at. Turkey fryer would not work. Takes a very low flame to hold pressure. Unlike the wobbler type you have to keep an eye on it and make small adjustments to the burner. For that reason I think a wobbler would be best on an electric range. i dont think anyone makes them with just a safety valve anymore.

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
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No wobbler. Has a safety valve. Starts seeping a little steam at 21-22 pounds. Not sure what it blows at. Turkey fryer would not work. Takes a very low flame to hold pressure. Unlike the wobbler type you have to keep an eye on it and make small adjustments to the burner. For that reason I think a wobbler would be best on an electric range. i dont think anyone makes them with just a safety valve anymore.


So you have to sit there and watch it the whole time?
I like my system a lot better.


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A weight gauge, a dial gauge, and the safety plug are standard on my canners, because I make sure they all have them.
I'm trying to understand what you're reasoning is.
All I know is that I've worked at making a canner as safe as I can, and all new All American canners have the same system as mine.
All American came out with it in the late 1990's and I like that system.
A little work and some searching for a better system , is what I did.
Got very tired of watching a dial gauge for 90 minutes.
With a weight gauge, a dial gauge , and the safety plug ( should be standard on all pressure canners and have been on all that I've worked with)
Makes pressure canning so much easier.
Propane burners are not much different than any gas stove.
I dislike electric, stoves, because of the on and off cycle to maintain the set heat.
That's just me , you do as you please.


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Pretty much. Check on it every 5-10 minutes. I'm happy you like your system better since that's the one your using.


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
The presto on the right must be 20 years old. Unlike the all American I cant can meat fish and potatoes at 18 pounds. Reduce drastically the chance of botulism

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18 pounds? I think 15 pounds is good up to 10000 ft above sea level. I could be wrong.

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Boiling everything you canned before you eat it, makes everything safe from botulism. I just like a little extra when doing stuff like potato's meat or fish. 250 degrees is supposed to kill the spores. Every year people die of botulism eating home canned foods. Usually its one of those three.


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Boiling everything you canned before you eat it, makes everything safe from botulism. I just like a little extra when doing stuff like potato's meat or fish. 250 degrees is supposed to kill the spores. Every year people die of botulism eating home canned foods. Usually its one of those three.


Do you know of anyone personally that died from home canning?
Why do you think home canning supplies have gone up in price over 200% in the last 15 years?
They want you dependent on the government.
You do what you want, I just don't trust they governments system any more.


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Pressure canning @ 10 pounds at sea level is 254 degrees , that's the standard temperature at all elevations per amount of pressure.
Again, I'm still trying to understand your reasoning.
Nothing so far makes much sense.
I can at 11-13 pounds of pressure, for the time needed, I'm not perfect, but so far I and friends and family are still living from my canning.
Many have passed , but they didn't eat my canning within weeks of their death.
A liberal sheep would twist it into it took weeks for home canning to cause a death though.
Sorry just can't help but to argue about something that's been done for hundreds of years , and now it's not safe?
Our republic worked just fine during the worst war in history, and now it's not a good system?
Trust the people who lived it, not those that pretended that they did.


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Over 75 jars reloaded with the presto.
I need a batch of apples or corn or fish
or something to fill the rest.





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All the canners I have came with very complete manuals that show the time and pressure for each product and jar size that I use. If you don't have a manual I am sure a few searches on the web will get you the info you need.

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You ever wonder why its safe to eat dinty more beef stew straight from the can but not your home canned beaver stew without boiling it first? When people die from commercially canned botulism its usually mushrooms.


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Originally Posted by bblwi
All the canners I have came with very complete manuals that show the time and pressure for each product and jar size that I use. If you don't have a manual I am sure a few searches on the web will get you the info you need.

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The Ball Blue Book is the go to source for canning info. And there's plenty of other sources as well.


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I use a presto canner, only pressure can tuna, 140 min at 10 pounds. Never have had a seal go bad, loose the weight on a regular basis buy a new one and find the pile of old ones. Home canned albacore tuna changes the way you think about canned tuna.

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Boiling everything you canned before you eat it, makes everything safe from botulism.


WOW
Boiling does NOT kill botulism. Boiling only gets to 212 degrees. You need to get to 250 degrees to kill botulism spores.That is why you have to pressure can to get the temperature up.

Boiling canned food does not kill botulism. This advice is bad and dangerous.

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Boiling everything you canned before you eat it, makes everything safe from botulism.


WOW
Boiling does NOT kill botulism. Boiling only gets to 212 degrees. You need to get to 250 degrees to kill botulism spores.That is why you have to pressure can to get the temperature up.

Boiling canned food does not kill botulism. This advice is bad and dangerous.



Yeah, I think 240 is minimum temp recommended to kill botulism. Can’t get there without pressure canner to super heat the steam. Not sure why they recommend boiling canned food after you open it. Has never made sense to me.

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That is awesome! I have canner envy!

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Glad I bought my AA930 many years ago. I think mine was about $285 when I got it. Now they are around $500.


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i give up you win. eat whatever you want after canning raw from the jar.


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