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Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8226271
10/01/24 05:21 AM
10/01/24 05:21 AM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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If Covid didn’t make people realize we outsource way too much in this country, this thing should. Hopefully stretching their neck out with such demands will motivate folks to start making stuff here. Should they be successful in this attempted extortion, the cost of shipping goods won’t make them cheap anymore. Americans should be able to compete making stuff here. Hope the strike lasts at least that long


-Goofy
Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8226275
10/01/24 05:26 AM
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me too hobbie. the biggest without a doubt hole in our national defense is the inability to produce almost any essentials.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: Pafoxman] #8226312
10/01/24 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
First time I've heard of a union demanding a guarantee against automation in a contract. Companies would be insane to give em that. Let em walk around with their signs while robots get installed. It's the future in a lot of companies. There's no lazy machines.

That was the main holdout for the screen writers guild strike.


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Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8226374
10/01/24 08:36 AM
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Teamsters might stand with them if that happens hang on to your hat.

Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8226379
10/01/24 08:51 AM
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I was reading something about this and it's origin

since 2020 the cost of shipping has gone up something like 300% they see the port charging that much more so they want a raise to get their peice of the pie

I can't say I blame them for wanting a raise

not sure when their last contract started but say it was January of 2020 they have seen around 30% inflation and if they figure it keeps going asking for 77% over 5 years knowing that it will be countered and they might actually see 45% , hard to blame someone for not wanting to work for less than the year before because they make 3% more each year and inflation is 7-9% more a year


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8226389
10/01/24 09:11 AM
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Don't worry,
Joe & Camela and the Dems will take care of it !!! frown


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Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8226398
10/01/24 09:26 AM
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Better to have Joe order the strikers back to work rather than let the economy decline any more and have that blamed on Harris.

Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8226408
10/01/24 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I was reading something about this and it's origin

since 2020 the cost of shipping has gone up something like 300% they see the port charging that much more so they want a raise to get their peice of the pie

I can't say I blame them for wanting a raise

not sure when their last contract started but say it was January of 2020 they have seen around 30% inflation and if they figure it keeps going asking for 77% over 5 years knowing that it will be countered and they might actually see 45% , hard to blame someone for not wanting to work for less than the year before because they make 3% more each year and inflation is 7-9% more a year



now don't go using reason and logic with the Union haters. It's the same as trying to with a liberal it just won't compute

Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: white marlin] #8226414
10/01/24 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by white marlin
brought to you by greedy unions (77 percent pay raise demand...price GOUGING??) and the Harris administration.

What do you do for a living?


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Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8226419
10/01/24 10:00 AM
10/01/24 10:00 AM
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It’s a good thing for now, especially if they win.


-Goofy
Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8226428
10/01/24 10:33 AM
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When the liberal kids realized I was prepping they said "When it happens, we are moving in with you.

That's when I realized what I was doing was an impossibility.

My plan, now, is to take what I need from the enemy, or whoever.


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Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8226437
10/01/24 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE


not sure when their last contract started but say it was January of 2020 they have seen around 30% inflation and if they figure it keeps going asking for 77% over 5 years knowing that it will be countered and they might actually see 45% , hard to blame someone for not wanting to work for less than the year before because they make 3% more each year and inflation is 7-9% more a year



Believe they were OFFERED 50% and refused.

Fire and replace.

Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8226455
10/01/24 11:31 AM
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here is a way I like to figure things , I have an employee who does some essential task I want them to live within 20 minutes of work , I think of this as a town/city so why wouldn't I want the employee to live in the same town/city they serve.

so I go house shopping on mls I want a decent little 3 bed 2 bath house nothing fancy but a place you can raise a family.

say that house is 200K divide by 3 that should be the salary of someone doing an essential task so that he can afford to live where he/she is providing this essential service . 66K when they get past 5 years and take on training rolls and such they need some more so that they don't up and leave to a municipality that pays a bunch more.
we ran into that cities and counties within driving distance started offering more money and buying out employees right out from us

that is my formula , it is simple but it gets you looking in the right place to get started with reasonable.

so now what is the price of a 3 bed 2 bath basic house within 20 minutes of the port?


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Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: DaveP] #8226461
10/01/24 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveP
Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE


not sure when their last contract started but say it was January of 2020 they have seen around 30% inflation and if they figure it keeps going asking for 77% over 5 years knowing that it will be countered and they might actually see 45% , hard to blame someone for not wanting to work for less than the year before because they make 3% more each year and inflation is 7-9% more a year



Believe they were OFFERED 50% and refused.

Fire and replace.



"Employer Actions During a Strike

Employers cannot fire striking workers solely for participating in a lawful strike. However, employers can:

Hire permanent replacement workers to fill the positions of striking workers (although this may be subject to collective bargaining agreements).
Implement a lockout, temporarily withholding employment or denying work to union members during a labor dispute, if the union refuses to meet the employer’s conditions."


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Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8226470
10/01/24 12:05 PM
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In my union we just get a few dollars raise but next year 3 whole dollars raise.

Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: Guss] #8226471
10/01/24 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Guss
In my union we just get a few dollars raise but next year 3 whole dollars raise.

Time to strike!


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Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: Guss] #8226485
10/01/24 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Guss
In my union we just get a few dollars raise but next year 3 whole dollars raise.

What's the difference between a few and three?


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8226486
10/01/24 12:35 PM
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We have become a country of people who care only of themselves and how much they can accumulate personally. They care nothing about anyone else. We need to figure out how Sr Citizens can go on strike and cripple the country.


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Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: Gary Benson] #8226488
10/01/24 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
We have become a country of people who care only of themselves and how much they can accumulate personally. They care nothing about anyone else. We need to figure out how Sr Citizens can go on strike and cripple the country.


Stop cashing those Social Security checks and using Medicare. That should cripple the country. smile


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Re: Empty Shelves Coming [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8226491
10/01/24 12:48 PM
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The employee is dictating to the employer wages and conditions. To tell a company not to modernize or we will shut you down should be illegal. If you don't like the way the company is headed you can quit. Most people have never owned their own business and probably wouldn't be successful " and they know it" because if they did they would think differently.

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