Re: 50% pay raise
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They will all be out of a job soon. If I owned the ports, I'd take this opportunity to upgrade my automation at the ports. The Chinese already have one that is totally automated as a guide. The cheap stuff being imported is due to union workers pricing American businesses out of the market, hence all the manufacturing moved out of the country. But a union worker will never understand that. The long beach CA port is already fully automated,,,,, Correct on all your other points
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Re: 50% pay raise
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10/03/24 07:47 AM
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I'd fire all of the striking workers and hire a bunch of Mexicans to replace them. That's how you lower prices.
I am sure that is how you get top notch security at your ports also. Hey world , just ship your fentanyl directly here we have illegals manning our ports so we can gave CRAP cheaper
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Re: 50% pay raise
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[/quote] I am sure that is how you get top notch security at your ports also.
Hey world , just ship your fentanyl directly here we have illegals manning our ports so we can gave CRAP cheaper Are the Union dock workers keeping fentanyl out?
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Re: 50% pay raise
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10/03/24 08:50 AM
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I'd fire all of the striking workers and hire a bunch of Mexicans to replace them. That's how you lower prices.
Maybe that's the idea. You know like how they used to import cheap labor.
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Re: 50% pay raise
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10/03/24 08:53 AM
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I'd fire all of the striking workers and hire a bunch of Mexicans to replace them. That's how you lower prices.
I am sure that is how you get top notch security at your ports also. Hey world , just ship your fentanyl directly here we have illegals manning our ports so we can gave CRAP cheaper Right, think that through. The unions have been already been letting it into our country. Plus, the unions are cliqued up with the mob and God knows who else. Plus, they're lazy and entitled. Adios Amigos!
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Re: 50% pay raise
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I'd fire all of the striking workers and hire a bunch of Mexicans to replace them. That's how you lower prices.
I am sure that is how you get top notch security at your ports also. Hey world , just ship your fentanyl directly here we have illegals manning our ports so we can gave CRAP cheaper He didn't say anything about illegals , just folks with a better work ethic then entitled union slops.
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Re: 50% pay raise
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I don’t pretend to know enough about the subject and am impartial relative to unions. My number 1 worry in all of this is it fast tracks more automation. I’m hopeful these men and women don’t price themselves out of jobs before the next contract down the line. Could go that way even without automation. If stuff starts being made here competitively those ships won’t be coming to ports, no ships, no need for dock workers. But then they can at least find a job here if they are are not all filled with illegals. Another thing it's likely a raise od x % each year over the corse of the contract not all at once. Ours was 4.3, 4.5, 4.1 oor similar each year of the contract . each year compounded the Rais of the last and looking at the Raise over the 4 or 5 year contract it sounded much larger than being honest and saying it was a 4.5% rase each year. yes it's a large Raise. Did they loose health care coverage, have a large increase in out of pocket health care cost that will come out of that Raise and not go to their check. for years we took smaller raises to keep our Healthcare coverage the same. Then the company wants to hang it so heck yes now Your going to pay more on the check. There is a lot more to it than just the total compounded Raise over the full term of the contract. yes that's a large # and used for shock factor for those that can't think lime the liberal democrats. if they price themselves out of a job that's their choice. Cause and effect its happend before and will again. BC yes things are better now because of unions. Get rid of them and thing will just go backwards. So few shops are union any more and non-union shops pay pretty well and have ok benefits ofter very close to unions. Have you asked yourself why? Because they compete for the same labor force and have had to step up the pay and benefits to get workers r to work for them instead of quiting to go to the union plant for more pay and better benefits.
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Re: 50% pay raise
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10/03/24 09:39 AM
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I'd fire all of the striking workers and hire a bunch of Mexicans to replace them. That's how you lower prices.
That's not the way Mexican and illegals get nothing!.
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Re: 50% pay raise
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Sometimes I wonder? Liberal Democrats love unions. "WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As Donald Trump and Kamala Harris continue to court labor union voters, Americans are much more likely to say the Democratic Party best serves the interests of union members (62%) than to say the Republican Party does (27%)." "Partisans’ approval of labor unions continues to differ, with Democrats more supportive than Republicans and independents falling between the two groups. Democrats’ latest approval of 94% is the highest it has been in the past quarter century and is up six points since last year. At the same time, Republicans' (49%) and independents' (67%) approval is essentially unchanged." Source: Gallup
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Re: 50% pay raise
[Re: Guss]
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I'd fire all of the striking workers and hire a bunch of Mexicans to replace them. That's how you lower prices.
That's not the way Mexican and illegals get nothing!. Thank you for your contribution to the discussion. WTH???
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Re: 50% pay raise
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First of all…how long is their contract? If it’s 10+ years then that 50% is spread out over the 10 years. We just got a 20% raise over the life of our 5yr contract. we choose to offer only a 2 year contract as the volatility was just too great in our housing market , labor costs , they wanted a 5 and we have no idea what things will look like in 5 so it made more sense to offer the union 2 years that way if we need to adjust we can , but we owe it to the tax payer to not pay out more than necessary speculating on labor but also provide a quality well maintained department. the union agreed to 2 years with no issues.
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Re: 50% pay raise
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10/03/24 11:23 AM
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hmm Dave P sounds like a bunch of accusations two times trying to put the son in a cage and yet nothing at all sticks. Kind of like the left aren't you now. well someone says they are doing it so they are guilty. No need to bother proving it in court or if they try and can't prove it in court still guilty anyway. Harris is thankful for your vote.
Your reading comprehension is as good as your critical thinking skills. The father, current ILA pres, is the one the Feds went after twice, not the son. Even the Mafia said he was connected to them. Witness disappeared, remains found later. Coincidence, I'm sure. The son just happened to fall into.a couple ILA gigs as well, paying $700k/year. Little short of Daddy Daggert, but imagine he can scrape by. Harris? My vote? LOL, Daggert endorsed Biden in 2020 and urged his members to do the same.
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Re: 50% pay raise
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10/03/24 05:27 PM
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I say tell the union to pound sand and get the military to unload them. The Navy unloads and loads all their ships.
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