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Re: WA wolves killed [Re: Providence Farm] #8248705
10/30/24 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Boco is an environmental wolffie hugger



No he is just someone that can't think about anything beyond his very limited experience. pro6 can't get off his knees at the pictures of the royal family long enough to learn how to think objectively. Subject are better off not thinking just obey and comply.


Actually, Boco lives in a place where the management of species is mostly left up to trappers and people who are aware of how species live together. Not people with agendas.

As abrasive as he is being, the philosophy behind what he is saying is true.

If we were talking about two trophy bucks being found dead, people would be lighting torches and forming posses.

Wolves need to be managed, absolutely. Vigilante management does not help our cause. At all.

Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248716
10/30/24 07:30 AM
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K snow thats the point and been well explained to him. but he can't get past his on limited experience on how thing are where he lives. you know 3/4 of his country with 2 roads and population in less than 1/4 of it.. His mental capacity to look beyond his experience and location is what I'm addressing. That and his seemingly no stop bashing of the country his rides on the coat tail of.

Now if you would not get locked up if you could shoot the wolf's causing problems and they were controled.and had fear of man because of it he would be correct. But they are not ane will end up with wolf's grabbing kids off playgrounds and attacking people in parks like Coyotes do now in some locations because of it. Probably don't have that in Canada either. I LIKE BOCO. He is a great trapper and craftsman. But he can't seem to understand not everything or place is how it it where he is at. I mean I don't have to have gun licens or keep my guns locked up and un loaded in my home by law. But he will alluded to how he has things considered illegal in his FREE country then BE an all about living on his knees law and order man. can't have both.

I guess it's the American spirit and constitution that tell us to stay armed and reboot the system when needed. That makes me buck the system and rules in place when needed. It's called the American spirit by some I believe. It used to be very common to day it as common as common since unfortunately.





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Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248732
10/30/24 07:44 AM
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Again, the FACTS of what Boco is saying are not wrong.
Wolves, like all wildlife, need managed.
Poachers should not be tolerated.
The US, in general, is doing a crappy job of that.
Instead of sneaking around shooting wolves in the dark, we need to get the reins of control back when it comes to natural resources management.

His method of delivery brings pot-stirring and trolling to a new level of art.

Don't debate his delivery, he's been at this longer than you and will beat you with experience.

Yes, I get tired of his bashing the country too, but he's right a lot of the time (when it comes to game management), which makes it harder to swallow.

Re: WA wolves killed [Re: Boco] #8248747
10/30/24 07:50 AM
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When wolves are killed just because they’re scary, it can really open up a can of worms for a rancher. If they’ve got wolves hanging around but have never lost livestock, the best thing they can do is leave them be. It’s been proven too many times that removing a pack that wasn’t targeting livestock, opens the area to ones that might.
I love the buggers but they have to be managed and unfortunately for some in the south it’s political. There’s no shortage around here this year, and I’ll do my job to lower that number.


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Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248750
10/30/24 07:54 AM
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Wonder how they were killed. We assume shot, but the article doesn't specify

Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248751
10/30/24 07:55 AM
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AGAIN I never said he's wrong. Just he can't either comprehend the world is not his little bubble either lack of ability or by choice I don't know. I'm guessing some of both that would come with being raised as a subject but that's just a guess.

As far as breaking laws you and I do it daily if you are honest. Speeding is a good example. I won't break a game law when hunting yet I didn't report the last 3 possums the boys shot and never have on a pest or varmit. Dnr has enough to stay busy with thats important than wast it answering the phone and making a report about pest getting shot in the garden barn or chicken pen. it's not like there are not more dead on the road in 3 miles.

Re: WA wolves killed [Re: Providence Farm] #8248757
10/30/24 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
AGAIN I never said he's wrong. Just he can't either comprehend the world is not his little bubble either lack of ability or by choice I don't know. I'm guessing some of both that would come with being raised as a subject but that's just a guess.

As far as breaking laws you and I do it daily if you are honest. Speeding is a good example. I won't break a game law when hunting yet I didn't report the last 3 possums the boys shot and never have on a pest or varmit. Dnr has enough to stay busy with thats important than wast it answering the phone and making a report about pest getting shot in the garden barn or chicken pen. it's not like there are not more dead on the road in 3 miles.


Boco ain't dumb. He can comprehend fine. He does it for entertainment, my guess. Do I like that? Nope. But I am not going to let it get my knickers in a knot either.

Sure, I break laws now and again, some I don't even know about. But I am NOT going to break one that can/will hamper efforts to get the root of the issue addressed.

Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248774
10/30/24 08:20 AM
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wolf issues won't even get addressed if they kill several kids. They will kill a few and pretend it's all good and never address the root cause. Lack of management and loss of fear of man. There also was a reason we wiped them out to start with.

Re: WA wolves killed [Re: Providence Farm] #8248778
10/30/24 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
wolf issues won't even get addressed if they kill several kids. They will kill a few and pretend it's all good and never address the root cause. Lack of management and loss of fear of man. There also was a reason we wiped them out to start with.


And why won't it be addressed? Let's fix that problem. I'd rather tar and feather politicians than see more wolves SSS'd. Fix the problem, not the symptom.

Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248794
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Originally Posted by k snow
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
wolf issues won't even get addressed if they kill several kids. They will kill a few and pretend it's all good and never address the root cause. Lack of management and loss of fear of man. There also was a reason we wiped them out to start with.


And why won't it be addressed? Let's fix that problem. I'd rather tar and feather politicians than see more wolves SSS'd. Fix the problem, not the symptom.



Sure that's going to happen. Have you not been paying attention lately? Take over part of town burn police stations and cruzers attack cops = peaceful protest. Have a Protest and get lead through the buildin by capital police and end up in jail and its the big threat to democracy ever.
Kid shoots armed felons chasing and attacking him during one of the peaceful protest and spends a year in jail and barely survives not spending life in prison.

bravo is all well and good but something tells me you won't be in the mob going to tar and feather anyone. I mean the cops that held parents back and stood outside while their kids were being killed didn't get tared and feathered. And that much worse than lack of wolf management. Yet they are alive and well sure they probably moved and changed jobs but they are fine. What did we do? sit back and type on the internet about what should, would could have been done. Then went back to our coffee all of us including myself.

Let's just say I'm more of a realistic and see things how they are not how I want them to be or how they should be.

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Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248799
10/30/24 08:49 AM
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Carry on then, I guess.

No action is worse than illegal action, in my eyes.

Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248813
10/30/24 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by k snow
Carry on then, I guess.

No action is worse than illegal action, in my eyes.



Pretty sure tar and feather would be seen as illega? People often died from the infection from the burns.

I'm not promoting breaking the law. But at the same time if I were in the areas with wolf's and they were causing me to loose income I'm not going to say I would sit back with my hands tied either and understand why the wolf's are dead. I also understand the public perception of this does more harm than good. Should have burned them to crisp or floated then on a log down a river maybe if theybwere likely chiped. But that's probably showcasing my lack of knowledge of the area. around ne we have lots of rivers creaks and streams out there I think there are much less common.

On the flip side it likely just some jack leg saw them and shot them because they were there. No one knows.

Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248823
10/30/24 09:17 AM
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The local (town) LEO was warning residents the other day of a large Black Wolf being sighted within the town limits, sighting by someone who supposedly knows the difference between a wolf and large black dog. Bad enough have cougars in town don't need wolves too.
Time for some Serious Predator Control by residents if game department won't, personally I have no problem with the 2 dead wolves need to add another 50 or 60 to the count.

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Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248825
10/30/24 09:19 AM
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Trying to find more information on this event, seems like there have been several depredation cases in the nearby areas over the summer. A few wolves have been killed, under authority from FWS.

Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248826
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If you want more stuff to hunt, you don't want wolves. They are just your competitors and they don't know how to adjust their harvests to declining prey numbers. Even with controlled wolf populations, you will still have less stuff to hunt. It all depends if you can live with that.

P.S. All wildlife does not need to be managed. It will be fine without us or not. However, we can manage human impacts, and try to manipulate populations if we so choose.

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Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248851
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If fish and wildlife depts didnt get huge amounts of gov. funding to introduce new species There would be no wolf problem If you disagree tell me where the money comes from


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Re: WA wolves killed [Re: jeff karsten] #8248856
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
If fish and wildlife depts didnt get huge amounts of gov. funding to introduce new species There would be no wolf problem If you disagree tell me where the money comes from

I have long subscribed to this theory.

F&W Departments are constantly searching for funding through crisis management. No crisis/concern, no need for them.

Re: WA wolves killed [Re: Shakeyjake] #8248884
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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
When wolves are killed just because they’re scary, it can really open up a can of worms for a rancher. If they’ve got wolves hanging around but have never lost livestock, the best thing they can do is leave them be. It’s been proven too many times that removing a pack that wasn’t targeting livestock, opens the area to ones that might.
I love the buggers but they have to be managed and unfortunately for some in the south it’s political. There’s no shortage around here this year, and I’ll do my job to lower that number.


Also it's not just direct kills that are harming ranchers they're experiencing 50% losses from cows stressed by wolfs not carrying then to term in some areas.

Re: WA wolves killed [Re: k snow] #8248913
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I know that around here, the ranchers are tossing steel into the dirt in spring/summer if they spot a wolf. They told the provincial biologist so at the wolf workshop.
Going to another wolf workshop tomorrow : )


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Re: WA wolves killed [Re: Providence Farm] #8249348
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
AGAIN I never said he's wrong. Just he can't either comprehend the world is not his little bubble either lack of ability or by choice I don't know. I'm guessing some of both that would come with being raised as a subject but that's just a guess.

As far as breaking laws you and I do it daily if you are honest. Speeding is a good example. I won't break a game law when hunting yet I didn't report the last 3 possums the boys shot and never have on a pest or varmit. Dnr has enough to stay busy with thats important than wast it answering the phone and making a report about pest getting shot in the garden barn or chicken pen. it's not like there are not more dead on the road in 3 miles.



You are a phoney,
You are a farmer on a trapping site
You should be on a farmers website.
I as a trapper know full well the benefit of having wolves on the landscape.
I could care less about farmers view on wolves,they are only interested in their income from farming.
My main intrest is my investment in my managed trapline,
And since you assume I am not sophisticated(well travelled) I can assure you I have travelled,lived and even worked in many other countries besides Canada,including yours.


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