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Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: WI Outdoors] #8271631
11/26/24 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
How many acres is the high fence area? I know a guy that hunted high fence in Africa. He drove for an hour and didn't see it. The area was that big. It protected the animals from some disease from outside the area.

I'd say that is the exception to a high fence area (that large), but still the game there is not free range.


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Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: Savell] #8271639
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Originally Posted by Savell
Originally Posted by PSB1011
The only ethical way to kill a deer is if you run the deer down,and kill it with a spear,Like Savell does!


… I’ve taken to slippin up on em with an axe handle

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Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8271694
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
How many acres is the high fence area? I know a guy that hunted high fence in Africa. He drove for an hour and didn't see it. The area was that big. It protected the animals from some disease from outside the area.

I'd say that is the exception to a high fence area (that large), but still the game there is not free range.


What is the difference? This is not an ethics issue. It is a skill or bragging rights issue.

I have taken many young kids and even cityiots in small fenced hunts for pigs. My daughters learned to put a clean kill shot on a animal twice their size. Some of the city folk where bordering the anti side just because of the culture of their neighborhood. I can name a dozen or so that now have "northern hunt camps" that they take extended family to. They learned, in very simple and controlled environment, where meat comes from and felt empowered in the fact that they were the person that brought home the bacon. Beats the heck out of walking through a grocery store meat section. Ever visited a mass producing meat farm? That is were the anti's get most of there bullets.

Can't believe we are debating ethics on a legal shot animal no matter where it is taken.

Yikes!


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Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8271713
11/26/24 11:18 AM
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I'm not debating anything. To each his own as long as it's legal.

Once your kids learn shooting skills on live animals.. you gonna teach them how to hunt wild, free ranging critters?


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Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8271746
11/26/24 11:48 AM
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Heck, I know of guys that regularly hunt deer on back roads with a pickup and a snowplow... ooops, hit another one... Legal?, ethical?, lol

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8271756
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
I'm not debating anything. To each his own as long as it's legal.

Once your kids learn shooting skills on live animals.. you gonna teach them how to hunt wild, free ranging critters?



Girls were running traps long before they shot hogs. Every other critter been shot as well. All but Sarah. That girl don't want to kill nothing. Mommy's daughter I guess. lol

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: Providence Farm] #8274584
11/29/24 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Just thought about mor to add. My inlawas now live in my old house where my daughter shot a few deer out off the bathroom window. The last few years my mother inlaw and brother inlaw have shot the deer they have ksislled out of the bathroom window or garage they built window. The only reason that window was put in the garage was so they could shoot deer out of it. It's all about proper planning.



My mother in law shot a big doe out of the bathroom window again on Thanksgiving after we left. got to say that house is the most expensive deer stand I have ever bought but it multi year round use.

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: WI Outdoors] #8274598
11/29/24 06:41 PM
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This is one of the problems with society. Letting the law decide what’s ethical or not.

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: WI Outdoors] #8274600
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Did you break any laws? If not, you're fine.


Big problem with society today… going by what the law says is ethical instead of having your own moral compass

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8274608
11/29/24 06:52 PM
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How about just supporting each other on a legal shot and way of hunting instead of just your own way to hunt.Bad enough fighting all the antis.Even if you don't like that way to hunt support them anyways.The antis will get us one at a time.The other guys way to hunt gets outlawed guess what?Yours is next.


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Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8274650
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I’m speaking more in general for society. Happy people feed themselves however they can.

Look at striped bass on the east coast.. severely restricted harvesting of a migratory fish but somehow Massachusettes is allowed to harvest them commercially…

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8275107
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You have a problem with commercial fishermen catching food for people that don't fish???

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Originally Posted by gcs
You have a problem with commercial fishermen catching food for people that don't fish???

is that how you take what he wrote?

It's very clear a migratory fish moves. It's restricted heavily for individuals to harvest in part if it's range for the species supposed protection but a shirt distance away the same fish have no restrictions even for large scale harvest. Seems like a huge double standard at best. He is clearly referring to contradiction in laws. Yet you seem to want to act like he has an issue with commercial fishing and that takes a very big leap from what he wrote

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8275239
11/30/24 12:38 PM
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Lifelong Alaskan and also Alaska native, I personally hate the commercial fishing industry. Most of the boats and crews aren't alaskans, they're usually addicts and vagrants who show up to trash Alaska for a couple months a year, then go find a bridge to sleep under in warmer climates until next fishing season

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8275324
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Yes, that's how I took it and still do...The entire Atlantic states fisheries are heavily managed with quotas, license moratoriums, and slot sizes, and the recreational harvest surpasses the commercial quota. The fishery is not endangered.

How is the commercial take of fish for the market different than trappers selling their catch so that non trappers can buy a beaver coat...?

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: Providence Farm] #8275327
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
[quote=gcs]You have a problem with commercial fishermen catching food for people that don't fish???

is that how you take what he wrote?

It's very clear a migratory fish moves. It's restricted heavily for individuals to harvest in part if it's range for the species supposed protection but a shirt distance away the same fish have no restrictions even for large scale harvest. Seems like a huge double standard at best. He is clearly referring to contradiction in laws. Yet you seem to want to act like he has an issue with commercial fishing and that takes a very big leap from what he wrote

Thank you providence farm for articulating my point well.

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: gcs] #8275333
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I don't hate the concept of commercially harvesting natural resources, I fall timber for a living and sell firewood all winter. I'm specifically saying the fishing industry in Alaska attracts some of the lowest level individuals the world has to offer, which causes a lot places in coastal AK problems with substances, assaults, etc. It's not inherently the fishing that's an issue, so much as the crowds of s***heads who come up seasonally thinking they're gonna strike it rich

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8275337
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Deckhands ain't fishermen, lol

I feel your pain. grin

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: gcs] #8275342
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Originally Posted by gcs
Deckhands ain't fishermen, lol

I feel your pain. grin

Deckhands aren't even most of the issue, they should be out to sea mostly. The processors are the real issue, land based or floating. I can't say all fish processors are bad people, but all bad people have had a job processing fish lol

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8275353
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So the chinook salmon in the pacific northwest to alaska are in a severe decline. In the gulf of alaska thousands of chinook are legal harverted or killed that are from WA,OR. and B.C. it appears to be legal, because the State only has escapement goals for Alaska fish, not other peoples fish.


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