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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8291400
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This Savvy Old Male Coyote has put thousands of miles behind him in his day.

You don’t end his reign by showing him the same tired sets he’s been walking by, pawing at, or defeating his entire life.

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Think Outside the Box. Catch More Old Coyotes

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8291415
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A lot of fawns have been through that meat grinder.

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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8292069
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Originally Posted by Yotegiter
Are you using the wind as your backing?
Are you just waiting for the wind to be in line again for that set to connect?
Or are you bedding a trap on each side of your attractant?


Barry, I don’t consider wind a form of blocking as much as it is somewhat of a guide. The wind is more of a suggestion, not an absolute.

My sets are right on top of sign. I don’t pull a coyote to my set. I put it in his path so he trips over it.

For me, wind is a somewhat a moot point when you are right on the sign. I believe the visual is by far the most important aspect to a set.
Unlike the wind, a visual works 360° seven days a week.

On multiple traps, I have never felt the need to deploy two traps at one set to catch a single coyote. Multiple sets make much more sense for obvious reasons.




Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8292085
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Originally Posted by Yotegiter
Certainly your coyotes work your sets with the wind in there nose.


Nothing is certain when it comes to Wile E.

Coyotes don’t always approach a set from downwind any more than when coming to the call.

I’ve caught multiple coyotes that were notorious for up wind approaches to the set every single time.

I have coyotes give up the wind all the time when responding to a predator call.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8292107
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Originally Posted by TEJAS


This Savvy Old Male Coyote has put thousands of miles behind him in his day.

You don’t end his reign by showing him the same tired sets he’s been walking by, pawing at, or defeating his entire life.

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Think Outside the Box. Catch More Old Coyotes

Lol....that coyote is like oh boys...... grin


#1 goal=Trap a wolverine
Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8292114
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Originally Posted by Yotegiter
The down side I see to missing a coyote on the first visit with turds and gland lure is there’s not enough there for him to repeatedly check the set. Verses say a dirt hole, tbone , or some type bait that he sniffs, remembers, then comes back when a fronts moving through and gets caught.

Thank you


You make a good point Barry. That is why I give Wile E. a lot of options to choose from.


I’d have to look pretty hard to find any down side to good flat set. They not only catch the most coyotes, they catch the savviest coyotes as well.
The only exception is the blind trail set.

If a coyote is missed at a specific flat set there are ten more variations waiting just down the road for his viewing pleasure.
Odds always catch up to Wile E. I make sure of it.


Around here dirt hole and toy sets are a joke, just like most places where coyotes have seen any kind of pressure.

The single biggest issue with a hole set is once it's baited you are committed to the set.

Not if but when a coyote defeats the set, or the wind changes, you have little recourse other than moving the trap. I have little use for a set like that.

The visual association of the hole on its own kills the effectiveness of the set a relatively short period of time. The flat set does not suffer from that same association.


These are just my observations from what I have seen on he line.



Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8292906
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I have a system for how I break down ranches. Trapping all over the state encountering many different terrains, and coyotes that are in a slightly different mindset as we travel geographically through the state has definitely taught me to diversify.

As spring green up turns to summertime jungle and the vegetation starts to overtake the roads, sometimes it’s near impossible to blend in a flat set, while it’s muddy or the grass is actively growing. In those situations I have no choice but to make a big visual mess, followed by the good old dirt hole.

On one job near Hamilton Tx last year I had nearly 13” of rain in a 2 week period. Try blending into that mess.

My go to that 99% of the time doesn’t fail me is blind sets, and trail sets. Honestly it’s the set that keeps customers adding a deposit to come back the following year.

I will say that when applicable the good ole flat sets have been my nemesis. Seems like no mater the wind, or the turd spacing from pan my misses are high. However in certain situations and in certain conditions a jet black turd gets a lot of attention. I hope you post up some pics of your flat sets I’m very interested in how you set them up.

Here are a few examples of high probability sets for me. A lot of times I use coyotes to catch coyotes.

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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8293190
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"Most trappers try creative approaches. Everybody wants the killer set, trap, bait, or lure. Some of it is hype and some not. The secret, if there is one, is hard work, determination, and learning to develop a knowledge base. I had the squeakers. It did not increase my catches. Deep understanding of the species, reading sign or lack of sign, solid equipment, and narrowing location produces results. Some areas produced rarely and others daily, why? Same bait same equipment same process. Time and experience provided the answers. There are a lot of tips and tricks from other trappers. It's my line to learn and grow from. Anybody can set a trap. Knowing why I am setting at the location I am, using the bait or lure I am using, with the equipment I am using, is trapping, in my experience."

The above words aren't mine but posted by another trapper on a thread about using squeakers. I think it was well said. I feel the same applies here regarding flat sets with no backing or whatever a person does at a remake. Everyone has their own experiences and unique ways of handling things that works for them.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8293261
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I agree Silky.

That was a great post by Coyote Clayton.

A few lines really jumped out at me.

Originally Posted by Coyote Clayton
Everybody wants the killer set, trap, bait, or lure.

The secret, if there is one, is hard work, determination, and learning to develop a knowledge base.

Deep understanding of the species, reading sign or lack of sign, and narrowing location produces results.

Anybody can set a trap. Knowing why I am setting at the location I am, using the bait or lure I am using, with the equipment I am using, is trapping, in my experience.


For me, learning to read sign Well is paramount. It is a key factor in understanding what is going on.

Being able to make effective adjustments on an ever-changing line based on past encounters along with current ground recon is another.

I believe those are some of the most effective tools I have at my disposal when countering what a coyote shows me in the field.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8293293
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Tejas, it's evident you have accessed and adjusted things to your trap line that has proved successful for you. Nicely done.

Keep sharing your tips. It's what makes us well rounded trappers. Trying different things and approaches. I'm not sure what it is, but we can watch and try to imitate the same set construction of very accomplished trappers and not have the same results. I believe there are subtle differences that are unnoticeable that may make a difference in each individuals catches.

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