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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: JesseA]
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12/18/24 08:49 PM
12/18/24 08:49 PM
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Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,799
Idaho
bearcat2
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trapper
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Idaho
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I don't want any eye appeal on a flat set. If I can see where the trap is, or even that there is a set there when I'm done, I did something wrong. The only eye appeal I have at a flat set is possibly a turd, a white bone like a T-bone might be okay, but I haven't made a T-bone set in a couple years.
Now on a dirthole, eye appeal and fresh dirt could be a good thing.
By eye appeal I mean anything I do, I do look for a rock, tree, bush, etc. that catches my eye to use for my backing or scent post. I am looking for something that will stand out to a canine as a good spot to mark, but I want it there naturally, I don't place it myself.
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: bearcat2]
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12/18/24 11:04 PM
12/18/24 11:04 PM
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Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 1,410
Custer Co, Idaho
sneaky
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Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 1,410
Custer Co, Idaho
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I don't want any eye appeal on a flat set. If I can see where the trap is, or even that there is a set there when I'm done, I did something wrong. The only eye appeal I have at a flat set is possibly a turd, a white bone like a T-bone might be okay, but I haven't made a T-bone set in a couple years.
Now on a dirthole, eye appeal and fresh dirt could be a good thing.
By eye appeal I mean anything I do, I do look for a rock, tree, bush, etc. that catches my eye to use for my backing or scent post. I am looking for something that will stand out to a canine as a good spot to mark, but I want it there naturally, I don't place it myself. Then it snows two feet deep and it doesn't matter anyways lol
Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: Trappeur Gunny]
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12/19/24 01:07 PM
12/19/24 01:07 PM
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Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 585
GA
canebrake
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Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 585
GA
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The older I get the less guiding I use for coyotes. I used to get detailed on guiding, but I started to notice something that changed my mind. If I had to reset and was in a hurry I would bed the trap and get going. I would catch. When I took my time with detailed guiding I would catch.My catch ratio is the same no matter if I guide or not. For me it comes down to making a set that will naturally guide the animal and making a set that the animal wants to work. I look at where I'm at and try to set how I feel the coyote will work the set. If you make a set that has eye appeal to the coyote and use the correct bait/urine/glad/bait for time of year you are setting, I feel you really don't need a lot of guiding as the animal will commit because you are hitting all of the checks in the box. Do I teach guiding, yes! It is another tool a young trapper can use, but in the long run it will not make or break a set. I agree. Sometimes I use a small dirt clod or something where I don't want the coyote to step or I might put a long weed stem to the side where I don't want him to work it from. But if he's interested, he's going to work the set anyway. I haven't seen where subtle guiding makes much of a difference. I've seen some trappers make coyote sets that resemble bobcat sets with all the unnatural guiding and blocking. Not my thing.
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: JesseA]
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12/20/24 05:59 PM
12/20/24 05:59 PM
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Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,503
South Texas Brush Country
TEJAS
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Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,503
South Texas Brush Country
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Seems they're stepping everywhere but on the pan, have not connected yet. Was running into the same issue last season.
Pictures would be awesome if you have them. Without seeing your sets it’s hard to offer good advice that might help you with your problem Jesse. Guiding is a poor substitute for well blended sets and good pan placement. There is quite a difference between multiple misses and outright avoidance. It’s possible the set pattern is standing out, or your pan placement needs a little adjustment. Posting up photos of your sets might help us steer you in the right direction. Good Luck in the coming days!
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: TEJAS]
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12/20/24 07:45 PM
12/20/24 07:45 PM
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Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 166
Pennsylvania
JesseA
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OP
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Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 166
Pennsylvania
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Seems they're stepping everywhere but on the pan, have not connected yet. Was running into the same issue last season.
Pictures would be awesome if you have them. Without seeing your sets it’s hard to offer good advice that might help you with your problem Jesse. Guiding is a poor substitute for well blended sets and good pan placement. There is quite a difference between multiple misses and outright avoidance. It’s possible the set pattern is standing out, or your pan placement needs a little adjustment. Posting up photos of your sets might help us steer you in the right direction. Good Luck in the coming days! I'll try to get some pictures tomorrow of sets if I remember and post them. I don't believe it to flat out avoidance, but it may very well be pan placement, as the is something I have always struggled with since I've moved away from leggetts step down dirthole and started running more flat sets. I can say on several sets, they worked the sets pretty hard, dug out the bait and lure, tracks all over the pattern, just didn't hit the pan, and this was not a one off instance, this has happened fairly regularly the last 2 years.
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