Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: JesseA]
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A pebble here and there or small clump of dirt.Helps if your trap bed right where the trap is is slightly lower then the surrounding area.
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: JesseA]
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I don't do much guiding, maybe a pine cone or a single small stick or stone if I think it is necessary. But if there is guiding already there naturally, I like to dig my trap bed where there is already a rock, root, etc. naturally there as guiding, without placing anything myself. I do a lot of trapping in the snow, and you just can't guide much there, you just need to do your best to place the trap where they are going to put their foot. And yeah, I like to have the pan be the low spot, as long as that is where they are going to want to step anyways. Of course you have to watch that, so that water doesn't puddle there and freeze a plate over your trap.
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: JesseA]
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Try a step down set. Some guys hate'm but they have their place.
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: JesseA]
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I do some face guiding. Where a critters nose goes so dose Its feet
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: Bruce T]
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A pebble here and there or small clump of dirt.Helps if your trap bed right where the trap is is slightly lower then the surrounding area. That is one thing I have not been doing. I've been keeping them as level as possible to prevent water puddling, but keeping the pan lower definitely sounds like it's worth a try
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: JesseA]
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John Heart was brought in to put on a wolf trapping workshop here. It’s geared more towards summer predation trapping, but he blocks heavily. He kept saying “I know all you coyote trappers are cringing right now”…lol
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Re: Guiding canine sets
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John Heart was brought in to put on a wolf trapping workshop here. It’s geared more towards summer predation trapping, but he blocks heavily. He kept saying “I know all you coyote trappers are cringing right now”…lol That's a common theme from a lot of good wolf trappers, you can guide wolves much more heavily than coyotes. I've heard plenty of them say that. I didn't used to use any guiding, I've gotten to using some light guiding but still can't get myself to block in a wolf set like some do.
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: JesseA]
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…. Offset to where you see the majority of the tracks on your misses
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Re: Guiding canine sets
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I also think doing a good job of blending your trap bed in helps and making your trap bed as small as possible
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: JesseA]
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I would rather have a 2or 3-foot sized trap bed. I don't like small unblended trap beds I don't what to pinpoint that trap. And large trap beds have lots of eye appeal.
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Re: Guiding canine sets
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I would rather have a 2or 3-foot sized trap bed. I don't like small unblended trap beds I don't what to pinpoint that trap. And large trap beds have lots of eye appeal. Eye appeal isn’t always a good thing. Sometimes, it’s the LAST thing you want. Small trap beds are nice when the grounds real hard too.
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Re: Guiding canine sets
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Try a step down set. Some guys hate'm but they have their place. Micro topography can also be used to get a coyote to not step somewhere. Not many coyotes here will step down a great deal, especially something like a trench or trenched in dirt hole. But you can use that to get them to step somewhere else.
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: JesseA]
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I don't want any eye appeal on a flat set. If I can see where the trap is, or even that there is a set there when I'm done, I did something wrong. The only eye appeal I have at a flat set is possibly a turd, a white bone like a T-bone might be okay, but I haven't made a T-bone set in a couple years.
Now on a dirthole, eye appeal and fresh dirt could be a good thing.
By eye appeal I mean anything I do, I do look for a rock, tree, bush, etc. that catches my eye to use for my backing or scent post. I am looking for something that will stand out to a canine as a good spot to mark, but I want it there naturally, I don't place it myself.
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Re: Guiding canine sets
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I don't want any eye appeal on a flat set. If I can see where the trap is, or even that there is a set there when I'm done, I did something wrong. The only eye appeal I have at a flat set is possibly a turd, a white bone like a T-bone might be okay, but I haven't made a T-bone set in a couple years.
Now on a dirthole, eye appeal and fresh dirt could be a good thing.
By eye appeal I mean anything I do, I do look for a rock, tree, bush, etc. that catches my eye to use for my backing or scent post. I am looking for something that will stand out to a canine as a good spot to mark, but I want it there naturally, I don't place it myself. Then it snows two feet deep and it doesn't matter anyways lol
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Re: Guiding canine sets
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The older I get the less guiding I use for coyotes. I used to get detailed on guiding, but I started to notice something that changed my mind. If I had to reset and was in a hurry I would bed the trap and get going. I would catch. When I took my time with detailed guiding I would catch.My catch ratio is the same no matter if I guide or not. For me it comes down to making a set that will naturally guide the animal and making a set that the animal wants to work. I look at where I'm at and try to set how I feel the coyote will work the set. If you make a set that has eye appeal to the coyote and use the correct bait/urine/glad/bait for time of year you are setting, I feel you really don't need a lot of guiding as the animal will commit because you are hitting all of the checks in the box. Do I teach guiding, yes! It is another tool a young trapper can use, but in the long run it will not make or break a set. I agree. Sometimes I use a small dirt clod or something where I don't want the coyote to step or I might put a long weed stem to the side where I don't want him to work it from. But if he's interested, he's going to work the set anyway. I haven't seen where subtle guiding makes much of a difference. I've seen some trappers make coyote sets that resemble bobcat sets with all the unnatural guiding and blocking. Not my thing.
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Re: Guiding canine sets
[Re: JesseA]
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12/20/24 05:59 PM
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Seems they're stepping everywhere but on the pan, have not connected yet. Was running into the same issue last season.
Pictures would be awesome if you have them. Without seeing your sets it’s hard to offer good advice that might help you with your problem Jesse. Guiding is a poor substitute for well blended sets and good pan placement. There is quite a difference between multiple misses and outright avoidance. It’s possible the set pattern is standing out, or your pan placement needs a little adjustment. Posting up photos of your sets might help us steer you in the right direction. Good Luck in the coming days!
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Re: Guiding canine sets
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Seems they're stepping everywhere but on the pan, have not connected yet. Was running into the same issue last season.
Pictures would be awesome if you have them. Without seeing your sets it’s hard to offer good advice that might help you with your problem Jesse. Guiding is a poor substitute for well blended sets and good pan placement. There is quite a difference between multiple misses and outright avoidance. It’s possible the set pattern is standing out, or your pan placement needs a little adjustment. Posting up photos of your sets might help us steer you in the right direction. Good Luck in the coming days! I'll try to get some pictures tomorrow of sets if I remember and post them. I don't believe it to flat out avoidance, but it may very well be pan placement, as the is something I have always struggled with since I've moved away from leggetts step down dirthole and started running more flat sets. I can say on several sets, they worked the sets pretty hard, dug out the bait and lure, tracks all over the pattern, just didn't hit the pan, and this was not a one off instance, this has happened fairly regularly the last 2 years.
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