Re: BLM Land Transfer in Utah
[Re: Leroy Bob]
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I know a few Europeons that hunt and fish in Europe. Most are probably middle class.
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Re: BLM Land Transfer in Utah
[Re: Dirt]
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I know a few Europeons that hunt and fish in Europe. Most are probably middle class. Good for those few people. I know 370 million people that have uninhibited access to hundreds of millions of acres of land. They’re from all classes and can hunt, fish, trap, hike, kayak, canoe, gain mineral and grazing rights, benefit from clean air and water, and the list goes on. I’d absolutely hate to see the U.S. turn into Europe. What about you?
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Re: BLM Land Transfer in Utah
[Re: Leroy Bob]
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12/22/24 02:09 PM
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danny clifton
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The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) manages 245 million acres of public land, and the USDA Forest Service manages 145.2 million acres of national forests: Sell off CA CO NM and AZ public land to pay off the national debt I would get behind it. They are effectively shut off to me anyway.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: BLM Land Transfer in Utah
[Re: Leroy Bob]
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Eliminating that debt would do wonders for the value of the dollar.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: BLM Land Transfer in Utah
[Re: Leroy Bob]
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I know a few Europeons that hunt and fish in Europe. Most are probably middle class. Good for those few people. I know 370 million people that have uninhibited access to hundreds of millions of acres of land. They’re from all classes and can hunt, fish, trap, hike, kayak, canoe, gain mineral and grazing rights, benefit from clean air and water, and the list goes on. I’d absolutely hate to see the U.S. turn into Europe. What about you? I agree. I would hate to see people embrace socialism like they do in Europe. Seems the battle has been lost.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: BLM Land Transfer in Utah
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Want land to stay under Federal control? Be careful what you wish for!
In Alaska, the feds have gotten into the habit of disregarding the state's management prerogative and simply closing off great expanses of "public" land to hunting. In my opinion and experience, we are much better as hunters and trappers, with state land ownership and wildlife management.
Pete Exactly right Pete. Look at the refuge on the Kenai. I have a home right beside it and have to drive a very long way to get access, then fight the crowds.
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Re: BLM Land Transfer in Utah
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How can you even hunt, trap or fish in WI with so little federal land? 39% is owned by State, County, fed and corporate that allows public use. On top of that there is always getting permission from private owners. I find that with the right approach its not hard to get use of private lands. Most often if your denied its cause of previous other Hunters/trappers/fisherman that have abused the trust, hard to rebuild that trust.
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Re: BLM Land Transfer in Utah
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The only thing hindering a mass exodus to MT ID and WY is winter. In UT its the religious cult. Well thank the Good Lord for bad weather and the church.
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Re: BLM Land Transfer in Utah
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12/23/24 12:01 AM
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If the States win in SCOTUS on this issue, and the States are given title, I am pretty sure they will not sell the land to private interests. These States already have a lot of State land and aren't selling it, it is still staying in the public domain. I'm sure it would stay that way.
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Re: BLM Land Transfer in Utah
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Alaska is hurting financially and I know of a couple instances just in the last few years where they’ve clearcut state land and sold it off to private ownership. So I’m pretty sure they could do whatever they want with it. In the case of Utah, I’d bet it will end up in Mormon hands faster than you can blink.
But beyond that, and the reason for my concern, this would set the precedent for all Federal lands being opened up to transferring to state ownership. Say what you want, but in the interest of wildlife populations, habitat connectivity, recreational access, ecosystem services, management funding, etc, I’m happy to see it stay under Federal management.
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Re: BLM Land Transfer in Utah
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At one time didn't the government give land grants to settlers and allow claims to allow ownership? The Government tried to get people on land to establish populations correct? Why would we not want to take land out of government ownership and get it in the peoples hands thus creating more tax base, and private land ownership. Cannot make more land but we can get more people of which we have way more people today on land as owners. I understand the selfish perspective of wanting access but it would benefit our country with 333 million people to open more land up to settlers. Water is the main factor in limiting the development of more land in the desert of the west. Most of Wyoming has less than 10" of anual precipitation. Our major water sheds are shared with other states down stream. Development of public land would be somthing that would force some extremely restricted use of natural resources. Private land is almost always managed better than public. This would effect most of the larger ranches that have had grazing leases for generations. And I'm sure the price of beef and lamb would increase greatly. As far as more tax revenues. We would be better of cutting the fat in our Gubment. . Get rid of the Government waist program.
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