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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291674
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2024 ski doo tundra long track
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2024 scandic wide track
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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Boco] #8291706
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Originally Posted by Boco
Much lighter weight than the scandik sort of a crossover with the long track and 550 engine.
They only made them for a year or two.Not tippy at all like the newer tundras.
Great machine for breaking trail for a 15 inch track.its got the inch and a half lugs on the track also.The extra wide ski skins really improve the performance in the deep powder.
There is another one in town but they are scarce.
It skips across open water real good,lol.

A friend of mine has one of those, and I've seen a couple others around. I bought an 08 300 (actually 277cc) new that was the same design, they made the 300 for three years and I think the 550 with that front end also those three years, then they went to a pogo front end and discontinued the 300. Those steer like a dream, the 300s are tippy, but not compared to the older Tundra Rs, and steer a hundred times better and are way more comfortable. I gave mine to my mom with over 30,000 miles on it about seven years ago and she is still riding it, although the oiler quit on it in 30 below weather just before I gave it to her and I seized it up and had to rebuild the engine, so it isn't original. The 300s came with a 138x16 track, which finally wore out on her and she replaced it with a 15 inch wide track (was a few hundred dollars cheaper for an aftermarket 15, could only find a skidoo 16 to fit, no aftermarkets) and claims little lose in performance out of the narrower track. They were a great machine, I don't know why they quit making them. I've heard numerous times how that A-arm front end isn't as tough as the pogo fronted, but I know I beat that thing off trees, stumps, gates, rocks and everything else and never broke a thing. I will say that when you are breaking trail with the throttle pinned going up through places overgrown with tag alders, those A-arms and coilsprings are real good at grabbing brush and coming to a sudden stop, I've had them switch ends on me and stop suddenly, while I kept going.

The 550 is a good reliable motor, but it will burn double the fuel the 300 will (makes sense, it is a two cylinder with the same piston and jugs as the 300, just two of them instead of one). The four stroke motors, both the 600 and 900 ACE are awesome on fuel mileage, getting better mileage than the old single cylinder Tundras.

I personally wouldn't go back to a 2 stroke for an every day sled, although they are simple to work on. The four strokes are quieter, way better on fuel mileage, and more reliable. But they have a bunch of electronic junk on them and if something does go wrong they are not as easy to work on. For what I do I love my SWT, but there are advantages and disadvantages of the wider tracks. If they made the Tundra with a high/low transmission like the Skandic and wide track Expeditions it would be much better for pulling loads on narrow trails. I've got 6000 on my SWT and am still on the original belt. While my Tundras were good on belts they never lasted that long and my Arctic Cat would go through at least half a dozen a year.

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291772
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I want to second the expedition sport. I have a 600 ACE, often wish I had the 900 Ace although I pull a relatively heavy sled. I would never own another 2 stroke.
In short, the expy sport is a tundra with A arm suspension. I rode my 600 ace tundra several thousand miles, mostly in Montana, bust also on the north slope (miles of hard wind blown sastrugi mixed with bottomless power in willow bottoms). I have never ever wished I had a Tubdra again. When people say they are tippy, it is a vast understatement.
In my mind the Expy is much superior on any kind of trail and equal in the woods and brush. Best advice is ride one of each.

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291788
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Are you moving up here, Bruce?

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291791
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Another option would be to look at the Lynx Ranger 49 with the 2 stroke engine and manual start.
Or the lynx Brutal.

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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291876
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The 4 stroke sounds great, it’s just the fear of minor breakdowns that require a friggin mechanic. I’d have to ditch the sled, get home, haul the trail er out from the back and over to the shack, then get the sled back to a dealer to fix something that’s probably simple…lol.
The Expy has an adjustable 39” stance where my older tundra has 32. Yes, tippy but it sure can get through some tight spots when making new trails….if that’s even one of your requirements.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Shakeyjake] #8291913
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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
The 4 stroke sounds great, it’s just the fear of minor breakdowns that require a friggin mechanic. I’d have to ditch the sled, get home, haul the trail er out from the back and over to the shack, then get the sled back to a dealer to fix something that’s probably simple…lol.
The Expy has an adjustable 39” stance where my older tundra has 32. Yes, tippy but it sure can get through some tight spots when making new trails….if that’s even one of your requirements.

I've hem-hawed back and forth between the Skandic and Expedition models, and ended up with the Skandic for that very reason, the narrower stance (still wider than the old single cylinder Tundras) fits in tighter places. On the other hand, if I was buying a new sled for the wife I would buy the Expedition, hands down. Because a less experienced rider, who probably isn't going to go on so many "iffy" trails, for someone like her I would pick stability over slimness.

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: martentrapper] #8291953
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Originally Posted by martentrapper
Are you moving up here, Bruce?

Going to start doing some trapping in Alaska.First goal is a wolverine.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8292205
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Perhaps the first goal should be to acquire a useful snogo? You have a friend or relative up here? Next goal might be to find a place to trap? What about a truck and trailer? If you won't be here year round where will you keep the snogo?
Seems like a fair amount of preparation needed to get to the point of actually setting a trap. How old are you?

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8292231
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I am pretty happy with my Tundra 600 efi. Still have two stroke simplicity with a pull start and electric start. It is not as fuel efficient as a four stroke, but way better than my 550. It also has much more power than my 550 or my 600 ACE. The newest platform with wide ski skins is less tippy than the previous Tundras.

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8292323
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If a wolverine is your goal then a snogo isn't mandatory a pair of snowshoes will get you into wolverine country as well as other fur.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8292470
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I have a 2016 Tundra extreme in 600 Etec and a 2017 Tundra LT 550 for a spare machine. I would like to upgrade to a SWT once my machine hits 3k miles

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8292638
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I have used mountain machines for awhile grow up un them then went to a utility sled . Don’t like the utility ones most don’t have the power I need have been using a Polaris lxt 550 for a few years now and just way under powered . I travel 56 miles of river with lots of over flew I find lots of power and paddle track gets me through every thing I Incounter. Plus’s after back surgery I don’t sit any more and mountain machines are built for standing. Running a pro this year and next I might pick up a summit. Gas mileage is bad but knowing all I have to do is grab the throttle and power out is a comforting feeling. I have had the hole river drop out from under me before and the only thing that save my but was a paddle track and power. Some spots we go it is deep and moving if you go in you are not coming out . What started it was years ago I would get utility sled stuck all the time and would have to go back with Mountain sled to retrieve my utility sled. Afterwards I just started using mountain sled . My m6 has 13,000 miles on it and is still in use. All original except things of broke was absolutely the best trapping sled I have had .

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8292690
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My nephew was telling me today these Ski doo expeditions are in between a tundra and a scandic.Same long track as a tundra but a wider track.Wider track then a tundra but not as wide as a scandic.Anyone familiar with these?
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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8292752
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Is there a skidoo dealer somewhere you could drive to and see some of these? Or any snogo dealer?

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8292813
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As far as I know the only real difference between the expedition widetrack and the skandic widetrack is one has pogos and the other A arms. IMHO your getting the dogsled in front of the dogteam


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8292815
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The Expedition now comes in all the various sizes of track as the Skandic, 16" wide like the Tundra, 20" WT, and 24" SWT. And same motor options. The front suspension and steering are different, making them wider and more stable. They are supposed to be more comfortable to ride but I'm not sure if they have the same rear suspension as the Skandic models or not. If your Skidoo dealers are anything like those out west, they won't have any inventory and if you want a new sled you will have to order it in April without ever being able to look at your options and hope it comes in by the time you want to use it the following year. My dad and I both ordered new sleds in April of 2022 and mine came in mid December, his didnt come in until mid January.

Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8292818
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Our skidoo dealer is now carrying the lynx line.
I'll have to check if he has a lynx brutal in his showroom.

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