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New snowsled for Alaska #8291286
12/23/24 01:26 PM
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You guys would know.In two years my truck will be paid off and I plan on buying a new snowsled.Which is better up there a tundra or Scandic?The weight of the scandics scare me a little but are they better?Thought I would find out straight from the horses mouth so to speak.You all would know.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291297
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Tundra takes more riding skill. Skandic is heavier, but either would work just fine. Expedition is easiest to ride and if you don’t have a lot of riding experience may be the way to go.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: GUK] #8291301
12/23/24 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GUK
Tundra takes more riding skill. Skandic is heavier, but either would work just fine. Expedition is easiest to ride and if you don’t have a lot of riding experience may be the way to go.

Thanks Have rode a snow sled my whole life beaver trapping and bobcat hunting.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291393
12/23/24 03:54 PM
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If you have been riding your whole life, any of them will suit you just fine. The new Tundras are an amazing machine.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291439
12/23/24 04:59 PM
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Better? That's subjective considering what you plan to do with the snogo and where you plan to do it at. Alaska is a big state and what someone uses for trapping in one part of the state may not always be the best choice somewhere else.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291450
12/23/24 05:17 PM
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Snowsled that will go thru deep snow and break trail.Not looking for a trail sled.Not so heavy that you can't get it unstuck.Light enough to be able to move it around by hand.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291458
12/23/24 05:23 PM
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Breaking trail in deep snow while pulling a loaded tobaggon? On trail or bushwhacking?


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291460
12/23/24 05:25 PM
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Unless you drop one thru the ice any snowmachine can be unstuck with a shovel,chainsaw and come along.
An old style bumper jack is handy also.
You can buy whats called a Powder jack for snowmachines-based on an old car bumper jack.
If you are going far best to go with someone with another machine,especially when we are older.

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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291464
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Break the trail first with just the sled would be my plan.Then keep it as packed down as much as possible after that.Then pull the tobaggon while trapping is the plan.I'm new to this up in Alaska as its still in the planning stages.Alot of learning to do.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Boco] #8291467
12/23/24 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Unless you drop one thru the ice any snowmachine can be unstuck with a shovel,chainsaw and come along.
An old style bumper jack is handy also.
You can buy whats called a Powder jack for snowmachines-based on an old car bumper jack.
If you are going far best to go with someone with another machine,especially when we are older.

The scandics they use in Baxter state park during the winter are so heavy they got to be hard to get unstuck.Alone that had got to be quite a job.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291483
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I have a Skandic SWT, and I haven't got it stuck often, but I've always been by myself and got it out. The biggest headache is when you roll one on its top, they aren't near as easy to flop back over as the old 300 Tundras, or even the newer bigger Tundras. I used a electric ATV winch on the Bearcat WT fourstroke I had before this (and I had that thing stuck a LOT!)and it actually weighed more than the SWT. I was going to use that on this sled also (I set it them both up with a reciever hitch front and back so I could switch the winch to either end, or hook it to a floorboard with a loop of cable if I wanted to pull straight sideways like rolling one back on its track) but I got a ropealong for Christmas just a week or two after my SWT arrived, and that is what I pack and use now. Works great and no worries about running your battery dead on these four strokes if you have to run a winch when it is on its top and isn't running. Always pack a shovel, with practically any good utility machine, if you are simply buried in deep snow you can generally always dig your way out. The only time I've needed a rope along or winch is either when I've had them on their top in the ditch, or slid them down over a bank.

I love my Skandic SWT, but you don't ride them the same as you do the old Tundras, they are like a truck, you can shove them in low and just idle and they will crawl up on top of the snow and go, and if you start to have problems just back up a few feet and then idle forward again. It is unbelievable where I have broken trail and taken this machine by doing that. It is when you pin the throttle that you can bury yourself in them. They are not a sidehill machine, however, they have so much track that you can hang as far off the side as you want, you're not leaning that machine and cutting a track into a sidehill, that track is going to follow the contour of the land.

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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291511
12/23/24 06:21 PM
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I'm used to being up on my knees not sitting in deep snow and guiding the sled by leaning if that answers anything.Looking at the Tundra LE with the longer track.Going to have to try some sleds out before buying.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: bearcat2] #8291515
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Originally Posted by bearcat2
I have a Skandic SWT, and I haven't got it stuck often, but I've always been by myself and got it out. The biggest headache is when you roll one on its top, they aren't near as easy to flop back over as the old 300 Tundras, or even the newer bigger Tundras. I used a electric ATV winch on the Bearcat WT fourstroke I had before this (and I had that thing stuck a LOT!)and it actually weighed more than the SWT. I was going to use that on this sled also (I set it them both up with a reciever hitch front and back so I could switch the winch to either end, or hook it to a floorboard with a loop of cable if I wanted to pull straight sideways like rolling one back on its track) but I got a ropealong for Christmas just a week or two after my SWT arrived, and that is what I pack and use now. Works great and no worries about running your battery dead on these four strokes if you have to run a winch when it is on its top and isn't running. Always pack a shovel, with practically any good utility machine, if you are simply buried in deep snow you can generally always dig your way out. The only time I've needed a rope along or winch is either when I've had them on their top in the ditch, or slid them down over a bank.

I love my Skandic SWT, but you don't ride them the same as you do the old Tundras, they are like a truck, you can shove them in low and just idle and they will crawl up on top of the snow and go, and if you start to have problems just back up a few feet and then idle forward again. It is unbelievable where I have broken trail and taken this machine by doing that. It is when you pin the throttle that you can bury yourself in them. They are not a sidehill machine, however, they have so much track that you can hang as far off the side as you want, you're not leaning that machine and cutting a track into a sidehill, that track is going to follow the contour of the land.

Might have to try a skandic out as I'm not much on pinning the trottle but easing into it.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291519
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Reverse would be a luxury to me.I'm used to getting off the sled and pulling sideways on one front ski while hitting the trottle to turn one around.But sleds I'm used to are much lighter then sleds now.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291526
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I'm running a 900 ace widetrack skandic with pogos and my wife has the same in 600. I've only had it stuck once and that's when I first got it. I always carry a rope-a-long, shovel, and chainsaw regardless of what machine I've used over the years. Like Bearcat said the widetracks don't sidehill well so a long track like the tundra would be better. I prefer pogos to A arms for off trail use however on trail you will have a better ride and they are a bit less tippy. The 900 has better cold starting ability than my wife's 600 and the 900 has plenty of power when you need it. Nice thing about the wide tracks is that you can breaktrail AND pull one heck of a load. The tundras would shine on skinny trails like a hand cut trapline and sidehilling. The are pretty nimble but also tippy. You can still break trail while pulling a reasonable load but not like a wide track those things are like tanks, just put it in first and go.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291546
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I bought a 2012 Tundra LT with the basic 550F. The reverse is awesome! You won’t be riding on your knees with these, it’s super comfortable to just stand up straight and drive when you want. I actually used the handle bar loop in the middle this morning breaking trail through a swamp. They can be quite tippy….lol. [Linked Image]


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291603
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I have a scandik 600 ace 4 stroke(2017) widetrack and a tundra scandik 550 2 stroke.(2008) 154 inch long track.
I use the Tundra scandik more than the skandik most years.
Only drawback to the 550 is its a gas guzzler.The big 4 stroke uses very little gas in comparison.

I keep them both maintained religiously.

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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291606
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Is that tundra Skandic a mix between the 2?
It is nice having the simplicity of old school tech like the 550 fan in a new platform with a few bells and whistles.


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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291611
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Much lighter weight than the scandik sort of a crossover with the long track and 550 engine.
They only made them for a year or two.Not tippy at all like the newer tundras.
Great machine for breaking trail for a 15 inch track.its got the inch and a half lugs on the track also.The extra wide ski skins really improve the performance in the deep powder.
There is another one in town but they are scarce.
It skips across open water real good,lol.

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Re: New snowsled for Alaska [Re: Bruce T] #8291631
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Thanks everyone.


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