Had my mother in law run into Anchorage and get my pit from the shelter his "new owners" dropped him off at, cost me $200 to bail him out. Calvin: good dogs are out there, I got my KBD from a tweaker who needed $100 in a bad way and he's an awesome pup he goes everywhere with me and is very well behaved. There is also really damaged difficult dogs, like my pitbull who has serious separation issues and is wildly destructive (whoever owned him before I got him wasn't very kind to him and I think he spent a lot of time locked in a garage or shop). The difference between the two in my mind is that I got my Karelian when he was about 6-7 weeks old, my pitbull was about 2 years old.