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Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: white marlin] #8309670
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Originally Posted by white marlin
I'm no doctor, but I'll ask you this...

How many times have "the experts" reversed themselves on the health risks/benefits of various food items?

think: coffee, eggs, bran, etc.

I'd be willing to bet that within a few years, another "expert" will be saying that seed oils are fine.

but don't take MY word on it.


I think the same. I’ve settled on this though. We know what people looked like and what their health was like in various times in history. I use those times as my benchmark. If I see a picture of a group of people now versus 80 years ago, which ones look healthier? Now we know that people were smoking like trains and had bad habits in the past, but how are all our serious diseases getting worse when we are getting “smarter” on health? I try to eat what my grandparents and great grandparents would have eaten personally. Whole Foods, cut out processed foods, try to reduce some sugar intake.

Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: Sheepdog1] #8309680
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what they ate is only ONE part of their overall health regimen...

1. they worked WAY HARDER physically than most Americans do today
2. they ate WAY LESS than we do
3. they [arguably] had less stress than we do
4. they lived closer to the Land
5. they had a widespread Faith tradition

etc.
etc.

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Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: white marlin] #8309703
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Originally Posted by white marlin
what they ate is only ONE part of their overall health regimen...

1. they worked WAY HARDER physically than most Americans do today
2. they ate WAY LESS than we do
3. they [arguably] had less stress than we do
4. they lived closer to the Land
5. they had a widespread Faith tradition

etc.
etc.


That all weighs in part of it, but if you look at the ingredients in 90% of the processed food, it's scary !
There's so many chemicals that cause cancer it's crazy.


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Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: white marlin] #8309716
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Originally Posted by white marlin
what they ate is only ONE part of their overall health regimen...

1. they worked WAY HARDER physically than most Americans do today
2. they ate WAY LESS than we do
3. they [arguably] had less stress than we do
4. they lived closer to the Land
5. they had a widespread Faith tradition

etc.
etc.


I agree completely. Nobody says I can’t do those things as well as the diet. At some point you can only control the things you can control. But to sit back and say doctors will say this is unhealthy later on so I’ll just keep eating like 80% of everyone else who is obese and sickly seems crazy to me. My brother in law has diabetes. Does he change his diet? Nope. Just takes a pill and eats what he wants. I like to think that the legacy I will leave my family is a desire to do the right thing, no matter how tough or inconvenient it is. Growing our own food, working hard, etc are all ways I am trying to do that.

Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #8309756
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Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
Originally Posted by white marlin
I'm no doctor, but I'll ask you this...

How many times have "the experts" reversed themselves on the health risks/benefits of various food items?

think: coffee, eggs, bran, etc.

I'd be willing to bet that within a few years, another "expert" will be saying that seed oils are fine.

but don't take MY word on it.



I don't think so, because the producers needed the experts to back their product.
Same as margarine , pure crap bad for your health.
Made as turkey fattener, and it killed the turkeys!
Or so they say.
I have always tried to stay with natural foods, fats, and grains.
I also don't believe in organic vegetables , at least not in the last 40 years.
When I was a kid, few bugs destroyed our garden, now days there's a new bug every year , it seems.
Go ahead and try growing vegetables without some kind of bug repellent.
Only thing I've found is a floating row cover, but it doesn't help with plants that need pollination from insects .

I haven't used any chemicals on my garden I'm 30 years, I rarely have anything eaton on by bugs, I've had people look at my garden that were beyond amazed at how many types of predator bugs there were in my garden, when I used spray's and powder 30 plus years ago everything was eaten on the more spray and powder I used the more trouble I had,

Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: Sheepdog1] #8309758
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Is peanut oil a healthy oil or is it gonna kill you too?


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Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8309761
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Originally Posted by Dan Barnhurst
Is peanut oil a healthy oil or is it gonna kill you too?


Depends on how it's produced, and if they add chemicals top it to get it stable .


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Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: gcs] #8309762
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Originally Posted by gcs
Not sure how you came to that Nate, but I'm not planning it....

Just sayn there's a lot of stuff out there ready to get you, eat as healthy as you can, lots of money being made on sick people.

Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: Sheepdog1] #8309772
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I haven't used any chemicals on my garden I'm 30 years, I rarely have anything eaton on by bugs, I've had people look at my garden that were beyond amazed at how many types of predator bugs there were in my garden, when I used spray's and powder 30 plus years ago everything was eaten on the more spray and powder I used the more trouble I had,

I believe you , it's possible in some areas.
It's like I said before, as a kid, I remember not having problems with insects destroying our garden.
We always had praying mantises in our garden , along with other predator insects.
But in the last 30 or so years it's crazy how many NEW insects are in the garden.
Japanese Bettles, those funny looking off color lady bugs, the lantern moth , the borer Bettle, can't name them all.
I use floating row cover for almost everything , that doesn't need pollination .
Even green beans can be covered.


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Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: nate] #8309815
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Originally Posted by nate

I haven't used any chemicals on my garden I'm 30 years, I rarely have anything eaton on by bugs, I've had people look at my garden that were beyond amazed at how many types of predator bugs there were in my garden, when I used spray's and powder 30 plus years ago everything was eaten on the more spray and powder I used the more trouble I had,


My father in law works at a chemical company. He ALWAYS asks how I kept the bugs off when he comes to pick veggies. I just tell him I let nature do its thing. He’s baffled every time and encourages me to spray. We live in an ag rich environment and have more pests than most as a result. We have to be a little more careful what we plant, but I would much rather do that than spray everything down every week or two

Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: Sheepdog1] #8309820
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I live in a ag rich environment and no spraying except my apple trees. When they spray thousands of acres of grapes around me the Japanese beetles that are left would destroy every leaf on my apples trees. That don't seem to bother the veggies. Besides that the spraying of the grapes around me must keep most pests to a minimum


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Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #8309847
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Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
as a kid, I remember not having problems with insects destroying our garden...But in the last 30 or so years it's crazy how many NEW insects are in the garden.


I remember the "foggers" coming through our neighborhood, and grandma yelling at us to get inside.

DDT was banned in 1972, but I believe existing stocks were able to be used up.

Also, there weren't as many introductions of invasives (sure, there were some) as there are today.

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Originally Posted by white marlin


I remember the "foggers" coming through our neighborhood, and grandma yelling at us to get inside.

DDT was banned in 1972, but I believe existing stocks were able to be used up.

Also, there weren't as many introductions of invasives (sure, there were some) as there are today.



When we would hear them coming, we would run down to.the road, hide in the bushes, then run out and play in the mist as the truck passed


I can STILL smell it.

Might explain a few things, lol

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Along with eating the lead paint chips, Dave. grin

Re: anyone else sworn off of seed oils [Re: Sheepdog1] #8309892
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Coconut oil and avocado oil are the only safe oils to cook with, extra virgin olive oil is good, but not for cooking

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Originally Posted by Tactical.20
Coconut oil and avocado oil are the only safe oils to cook with, extra virgin olive oil is good, but not for cooking



Coconut oil on the stove top is the only way to pop popcorn. two bad it's not on my menu any longer.

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Only olive and avocado oils in my home. Use butter for frying some things up. Brother and I have been talking about rendering bear fat. Anyone have any experience with deer fat for rendering? Guessing I’d hear about it more if it were viable.

Side note: Have a newborn son and he was having acid reflux symptoms as a result of breast feeding. Decided to refine the wife’s diet and have found no issues when she avoids soy and dairy. As a result, I read labels much more in-depth and am alarmed by how much soy is snuck into everything, and also the amount of junk in all processed foods. Anyone who isn’t mindful of their diet will absolutely pay the price down the line.

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When we would hear them coming, we would run down to.the road, hide in the bushes, then run out and play in the mist as the truck passed


I think thats why head lice were never a problem. I never heard of it till my kids brought them home from school. Had it happen twice.


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We'd ride our bikes through the fog... nobody thought it was a problem, lol

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I'll die saying the biggest reason for the jump in cancer related problems is plastic. EVERYTHING now comes in plastic. When I grew up it was paper cartons, metal tins, or glass. I remember seeing the first 2 liter PLASTIC bottle. Microwave ovens might not be healthy either. How many warm leftovers of your "healthy" cooked food in a microwave safe PLASTIC container? OR store it in a fridge in a plastic container? Go to your pantry and look what comes in a plastic container. It's shocking.

Water bottles BILLIONS used every day .

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