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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: 330-Trapper]
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01/16/25 09:48 AM
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Snyde901
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meaning it should be dug up? Yes, If it froze it wasn't done right in the first place, another possibility is it is just saturated. Either way a leach field needs sized for your usage, ground conditions, buried below frost line, and backfilled with adequate gravel bed with fabric to mitigate sediment infiltration. Jbyrds looks good except the straw, we use fabric that wont break down over time. Even done correctly they can still fail occasionally and need redone.
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: Shakeyjake]
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01/16/25 10:10 AM
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If you don’t have mice, you will after toddling flax or straw on the field…..lol. I’ve got an outdated system similar to that. To bring it up to code would likely be a $50k touch. Luckily it’s never frozen. Dang i'll send my guy up there. I bet he'd do that for 1/3. I had anew distribution box put in at my tank outlet. They ran 75 feet of solid pipe around my house.. Put in 2 50 ft lateral lines in my front yard Covered resowed the grass. Gone for 3,000 !
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/16/25 10:13 AM
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if your septic tank is working right, there should never be more than a little water going out, and if it's working right, it should put out enough heat to melt the snow some above it, never have your tank pumped in the fall, you should have a tee pipe going in and out of your tank, The way it was explained to me is that little trickle of water freezes. Then the next trickle freezes on top of last trickle until pipe is plugged. Once tank is full, the amount that goes in, is the amount that goes out. If a trickle goes in, a trickle goes out. If you pull the plug on the bathtub, you’ve got a tub full of water going out. I would put a heat cable or forced air heat in the first clean out. Then insulate it if you get it thawed.
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: 330-Trapper]
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01/16/25 10:59 AM
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AS stated, start at Dbox. New systems can freeze if not used before cold weather, old systems can freeze if saturated and failing. The other problem could be an improprly installed pipe with a low spot holding water. If you find such a spot, get a couple bags of charcoal, place above the spot, light it . cover it with some tin and anything else to keep the heat in. The ground underneath will slowly thaw. Might work overtop of the Dbox also.
Just the right amount of whelm.
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: Trapset]
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01/16/25 03:41 PM
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the leach lines ,some were missing caps That’s the problem if you ask me. We just put a system in at our camp in Canada. I had inspection pipes planned for the lines and the plumber helping me talked me out of it. He said if they don’t get covered in snow right away the water will freeze before it drains, especially under inspection pipes. Each time the water hits the ice it freezes thicker and eventually plugs pipe. Do I need a Pvc cover for the 7" hole in the Tank lid?
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: jbyrd63]
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01/16/25 03:57 PM
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Vinke
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Here’s why ours will never freeze. Got 12 inches of gravel under and on top of pipe then 12 +- dirt on that . The straw was a bad idea….. Use road fabric or weed fabric to keep the dirt out of the rock. Straw seals up and won’t allow for evaporation…
Ant Man/ Marty 2028
Quote of the week ,,,,,,, "he looks simple".
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: Vinke]
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01/16/25 05:21 PM
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Here’s why ours will never freeze. Got 12 inches of gravel under and on top of pipe then 12 +- dirt on that . The straw was a bad idea….. Use road fabric or weed fabric to keep the dirt out of the rock. Straw seals up and won’t allow for evaporation… That looks a little deep for much evaporation in my mind. The guy that did my house tank 20 years ago went way shallow with the drain pipe. I questioned him and he said that’s how they do it now, especially along the river like we are. He said this way you’ll lose as much through evaporation as you do saturation. Still had 3’ or so gravel under the pipe though.
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: 330-Trapper]
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01/16/25 06:08 PM
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When I was installing in ground septic systems the PA Sewage Code wanted 12" of 2B crushed stone in the drain field. The 4" perforated pipe would go on top of 6" of stone then 6" more was added. Trenches were 24" deep at the low end of the grade and how ever much deeper they had to be at the high end of the grade. We normally tried to lay them out over a level grade as best we could while still being over the perk holes. A minimum of 12" of topsoil over the stone was required.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: 330-Trapper]
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01/16/25 10:13 PM
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Jbyrds septic wouldnt always be below the front line here.
You guys that live in the banana belt just don't understand it.
"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: Steven 49er]
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01/17/25 12:48 AM
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Vinke
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Jbyrds septic wouldnt always be below the front line here.
You guys that live in the banana belt just don't understand it.
But I do know septics……. I can not tell from the pictures,,,,, but it looks like he is in dirty ground…… sealing the top is not good…
Ant Man/ Marty 2028
Quote of the week ,,,,,,, "he looks simple".
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: 330-Trapper]
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01/17/25 06:07 AM
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Septic systems are not required to be below the frost line here in PA.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: Lugnut]
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01/17/25 07:06 AM
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Snyde901
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Septic systems are not required to be below the frost line here in PA. Code or not we always bury anything that can freeze below frost line to avoid problems like the OP & others have had. It also lets you drive over stuff without worrying about crushing.
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Re: Any real way to thaw out drainfield lines? HELP
[Re: Snyde901]
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01/17/25 08:37 AM
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Septic systems are not required to be below the frost line here in PA. Code or not we always bury anything that can freeze below frost line to avoid problems like the OP & others have had. It also lets you drive over stuff without worrying about crushing. The frost line for building in PA is 36" below grade. You'd never get an in-ground system passed here if you put it that deep or deeper.
Eh...wot?
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