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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8314298
01/16/25 05:43 PM
01/16/25 05:43 PM
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Iowa
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by ~ADC~


They have been (and are still) doing this A LOT for many years here. Nothing wrong with it as long as you follow the laws and use a little common sense.


One dog gets whacked in a public ditch in a 220 and it's going to be goodbye Conis out of water. Dog owners/hunters would be more likely to support trapping if they didn't have to worry about Conis in the ditch imo.


I've heard this now for 40+ years of my life and it hasn't happened, even though thousands of 220's are set this way every year. I'm not saying you are wrong, but it's less of a issue than you're making it out to be IMO. Much like children's cartoons made people think quick sand was a bigger worry than it turned out to be. smile

I've also noticed in the 20+ years I've been on Trapperman and other trapping websites, there have never, ever been one, not one single one, in the thousands of posts on 220's on land, never even one time has it ever gotten past a few posts before someone is warning people to "be careful where you set them" or "use your head when using them" or some other form of warning. So, I think most everyone is aware and knows what "could" happen. But not setting them because they could get banned, is like not casting that expensive lure because it could get snagged and you could lose it. What good is it in the tackle box? I say use it, see how many you can catch, maybe you'll never lose it.

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: danny clifton] #8314307
01/16/25 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Better plan is dont get on facebook

Totally agree!! A low profile is the way to go, if they don’t know you exist they can’t bother you.

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: TC1] #8314309
01/16/25 06:02 PM
01/16/25 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TC1
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Putting 220s above water in ditches was never smart. Letting a dog out of a foothold is no big deal but there needs to be a level of care when conis and snares get involved.


Never any mention of responsibility of the dogs owners when this is brought up. Strange. I witness literally hundreds of trespassing dogs every fall here, nearly all are the road hunters dogs left to run in front of the hunters slow rolling rig as they are “hunting”. LOL. The law here states that it is legal to hunt from the ROW, but birds must be flushed and shot in that area/airspace. I can count on one hand how many birds I’ve witnessed being shot within the ROW. They are almost always shot over private land and then retrieved by their mutt from there. I have no cares what the roadies whine about as I’ve had dozens of my sets messed with and animals shotgunned from them.. sorry, no sympathy here. I strictly follow all laws and never encroach on dwellings. Show me a puke trapper doing dumb stuff, and I’ll show you ten hunters doing the same. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but I’m tired of our always having to apologize and concede rights of ours.


I keep bringing it up because someone put 220s in the ditch on our family land where I ran my dogs. I find it moronic to put 220s in a row out of the water. Use foothold, use cages, use dog proofs but have some common sense and don't use a coni unless it's a real rural area that you won't get non targets in.

Just because something is legal it does not mean your immune from civil liability, beyond that if the row is 33' from the centerline and your 35' and make a set that catches a non target your gonna be fully liable.

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314315
01/16/25 06:20 PM
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Why anyone would run their dog along a road that could get hit by a car?

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: Rat Masterson] #8314332
01/16/25 06:51 PM
01/16/25 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Why anyone would run their dog along a road that could get hit by a car?


Ever see those Minimum Maintenance signs? The roads you need to idle down? Those are the ones I hunt.

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314336
01/16/25 07:00 PM
01/16/25 07:00 PM
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Most of the serious bird hunters I have seen trapping were glad I was catching predators. They told me their dogs have been released from traps and never missed a beat that day. The majority of the problems come from guys who only hunt a couple of times a year. Those are the same guys who park in the middle of the logging road they are hunting so no one can get by them.


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314355
01/16/25 07:43 PM
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educated a few deer hunters on how benifical trapping was also warned more than a few bow and gun hunters that dont touch my traps or kill anything in my traps or i would turn every deer on the property nocternal just by checking traps about 5 minutes before shooting time

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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314365
01/16/25 07:58 PM
01/16/25 07:58 PM
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Here in Minnesota, if your dog takes off on you, you can legally trespass to retrieve them as long as you do not carry a firearm and you evacuate the property as soon as you have caught the dog. Hound hunters running coyotes will abuse that law in order to gain access to land they normally would not be allowed to hunt. Hunters will drive around until they find a fresh track, then release the dogs. A "runner" will then go after the dogs to make it look as if they are trying to catch their dogs. This presents a big problem by not asking permission as someone may have snares or body grip traps set on that property. Of course we all know when something happens to the dog it'll be the trapper who gets blamed for and not the dog owner/hunter for allowing the dog to trespass.

Last edited by 20scout; 01/16/25 07:59 PM.

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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314389
01/16/25 08:25 PM
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I know a couple trappers that trap where ever they want and never ask permission or tag anything. Both have had run ins with game wardens. Still do it. Some people are low lifes and we aint never gonna be free of them

Last edited by danny clifton; 01/16/25 08:25 PM.

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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: canebrake] #8314423
01/16/25 09:02 PM
01/16/25 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by canebrake
Originally Posted by AK Timber Tramp
Yeah I've never gotten how most people understand so little about the world around them. One of my wife's cousins (who bow hunts moose every year) told me that trapping is a lazy, cowardly way to hunt. I explained that he was way off, the purpose was because those traps can be there working 24 hours a day, I cannot. I also invited him along so he could see just how "lazy" trapping is (he didn't make it 3 hours, I had to haul him into town)

Trapping is lazy. That's classic. Not sure what kind of line you run but I'd love to see that clown get up before the crack of dawn and follow a long liner around all day so he can see first hand what a lazy sport it is.

I brought him on my long run just to be sure the message sank in. He only lasted long enough to help load sleds and gear, hit 2 beaver ponds on the way, and unload and start the long line. He was worn out from chopping a couple snare poles out of the ice and the 40 minutes of riding to reach the beginning of the line...so I hauled him home before he got in over his head lol

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: Minkmusk] #8314674
01/17/25 07:27 AM
01/17/25 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Minkmusk
Originally Posted by danny clifton
Better plan is dont get on facebook

Totally agree!! A low profile is the way to go, if they don’t know you exist they can’t bother you.

lol....just roll over and play dead.Nope it does not work. grin


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314677
01/17/25 07:34 AM
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I dont hide or play dead. I dont play the game that the eat tofu, promote a genderless society, nose piercing fools on a get censored, volunteer personal info to marketers, put up with a deluge of scam ads want me to play.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: danny clifton] #8314684
01/17/25 07:45 AM
01/17/25 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I dont hide or play dead. I dont play the game that the eat tofu, promote a genderless society, nose piercing fools on a get censored, volunteer personal info to marketers, put up with a deluge of scam ads want me to play.

I don't do any of that stuff or support it and have 5000 friends on facebook.Other then some relatives, all people who trap,hunt,and fish.Its all we talk about.Its awesome to be able to talk to such people from all over the USA and Canada.


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: 20scout] #8314830
01/17/25 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 20scout
Here in Minnesota, if your dog takes off on you, you can legally trespass to retrieve them as long as you do not carry a firearm and you evacuate the property as soon as you have caught the dog. Hound hunters running coyotes will abuse that law in order to gain access to land they normally would not be allowed to hunt. Hunters will drive around until they find a fresh track, then release the dogs. A "runner" will then go after the dogs to make it look as if they are trying to catch their dogs. This presents a big problem by not asking permission as someone may have snares or body grip traps set on that property. Of course we all know when something happens to the dog it'll be the trapper who gets blamed for and not the dog owner/hunter for allowing the dog to trespass.

What poupose does the "runner" have?

Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: Diggerman] #8314852
01/17/25 11:42 AM
01/17/25 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by 20scout
Here in Minnesota, if your dog takes off on you, you can legally trespass to retrieve them as long as you do not carry a firearm and you evacuate the property as soon as you have caught the dog. Hound hunters running coyotes will abuse that law in order to gain access to land they normally would not be allowed to hunt. Hunters will drive around until they find a fresh track, then release the dogs. A "runner" will then go after the dogs to make it look as if they are trying to catch their dogs. This presents a big problem by not asking permission as someone may have snares or body grip traps set on that property. Of course we all know when something happens to the dog it'll be the trapper who gets blamed for and not the dog owner/hunter for allowing the dog to trespass.

What poupose does the "runner" have?

Make everything look legal


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: Diggerman] #8314893
01/17/25 01:03 PM
01/17/25 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Originally Posted by 20scout
Here in Minnesota, if your dog takes off on you, you can legally trespass to retrieve them as long as you do not carry a firearm and you evacuate the property as soon as you have caught the dog. Hound hunters running coyotes will abuse that law in order to gain access to land they normally would not be allowed to hunt. Hunters will drive around until they find a fresh track, then release the dogs. A "runner" will then go after the dogs to make it look as if they are trying to catch their dogs. This presents a big problem by not asking permission as someone may have snares or body grip traps set on that property. Of course we all know when something happens to the dog it'll be the trapper who gets blamed for and not the dog owner/hunter for allowing the dog to trespass.

What poupose does the "runner" have?

The funny thing is most guys have tracking collars on their dogs so they know where they are.


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314932
01/17/25 02:22 PM
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I had a coyote hunter tell me that he found it more sporting and more of a challenge to call predators in. I couldn't quite get through to him that not only do we have to be on location, but out of all the area the animal could step on the property we try and get them to step on a spot about the size of a golf ball or a 4 inch by 4 inch square. He just wanted to argue and didn't believe trapping was the right way to do things.


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: Kre] #8314948
01/17/25 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Kre

What about the trapper that sets a body grip in a bad spot and kills a high dollar birddog? Is that stupid, all about themselves and shallow?


Unfortunately that sort of thing can and does happen. I used to live between Yes Sir and Sasquatch91 and Kansas trappers had a mess because of that type of incident. A bird hunter lost a dog to a 220 out at Kannapolis Reservoir and the hunter turned out to either a Saline Co Sherriff's deputy or was on the Salina PD.
Dan Kavicik's dad told me about it and if I remember right that same guy made it his primary mission to show up at any Wildlife & Parks meeting to be the squeaky wheel. I don't remember for sure but I think the dude seemed to quit hunting and spend the his every weekend searching out traps on public ground and photographing anything that is his mind was bad.


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: Flatlander94] #8314950
01/17/25 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatlander94
I had a coyote hunter tell me that he found it more sporting and more of a challenge to call predators in. I couldn't quite get through to him that not only do we have to be on location, but out of all the area the animal could step on the property we try and get them to step on a spot about the size of a golf ball or a 4 inch by 4 inch square. He just wanted to argue and didn't believe trapping was the right way to do things.

Just another idiot that thinks his way is the only way.


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Re: Hunters that don’t support trapping [Re: foxkidd44] #8314955
01/17/25 03:23 PM
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ADC- that story I posted above is the only one of those supposed stories that can be verified. The guys I heard tell about it was the game warden in that county and the president of the state trapping assoc's dad.

Like you, I get suspicious of most of those stories specially the ones on social media.


�What�s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.�
Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers


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