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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: martentrapper] #8319939
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Originally Posted by martentrapper
Originally Posted by jk
Slow down folks. Some of us are republicans and some are democrats. Some like Trump and some don't and the same for Biden. .....jk


Totally fine with not liking trump. I would be interested in a common sense reason for an outdoorsman, woman, to vote for a democrat. Any democrat.
Let's hear it.

There is no such reason.

Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: jk] #8319967
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Originally Posted by jk
Slow down folks. Some of us are republicans and some are democrats. Some like Trump and some don't and the same for Biden. We are a group called Trappers of the Tman fraternity. We most likely will never agree on any one thing. Long chain vs short chain, offset vs closed Get over it and enjoy life.....jk


The bottom line is that the guy should die in jail, not at home.

Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: thgreenwing] #8319972
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Originally Posted by thgreenwing
Originally Posted by jk
Slow down folks. Some of us are republicans and some are democrats. Some like Trump and some don't and the same for Biden. We are a group called Trappers of the Tman fraternity. We most likely will never agree on any one thing. Long chain vs short chain, offset vs closed Get over it and enjoy life.....jk


The bottom line is that the guy should die in jail, not at home.

So should the guy who pardoned him.

Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8319994
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Biden pardoned his, Trump pardoned his; sort of offsetting imo. The Dems are really po'd that Biden did those last minute pardons because now the Dems can't really rant against Trump's pardoning of the 1500 January 6 folks.


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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: waggler] #8319999
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Originally Posted by waggler
Biden pardoned his, Trump pardoned his; sort of offsetting imo. The Dems are really po'd that Biden did those last minute pardons because now the Dems can't really rant against Trump's pardoning of the 1500 January 6 folks.


I didn't realize anyone on January 6th ambushed then executed two federal officers

Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8320006
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If you can't see the 100% difference between Trump and Biden and what that means to maintaining an America we can live in ........you've got some serious problems


Millions and millions.......can't see it ......improper brain function I do believe


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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8320020
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Just,,,,, WOW.Anyone that cant see that Bidens pardons just proved what we already knew(he and his family are criminals and pieces of you know what) are really blind.


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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: upstateNY] #8320024
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
If you can't see the 100% difference between Trump and Biden and what that means to maintaining an America we can live in ........you've got some serious problems


Millions and millions.......can't see it ......improper brain function I do believe

Originally Posted by upstateNY
Just,,,,, WOW.Anyone that cant see that Bidens pardons just proved what we already knew(he and his family are criminals and pieces of you know what) are really blind.

Pretty bad


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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: upstateNY] #8320036
01/21/25 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
Just,,,,, WOW.Anyone that cant see that Bidens pardons just proved what we already knew(he and his family are criminals and pieces of you know what) are really blind.

Yep


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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8320046
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by waggler
Biden pardoned his, Trump pardoned his; sort of offsetting imo. The Dems are really po'd that Biden did those last minute pardons because now the Dems can't really rant against Trump's pardoning of the 1500 January 6 folks.


I didn't realize anyone on January 6th ambushed then executed two federal officers

I'm not arguing for a moral equivalence, Biden's pardons were just plain sleazy, but the future political implications of Biden's pardons could have more negative consequences for the Democrats than Trump's pardons.


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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8320079
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The people Trump pardoned were convicted of something( for the most part on trumped up charges) and have been serving time. Pardoning family and partners in crime before any conviction is a sleazy move by a sleazy person. If I had voted for him I would never vote again because I would have realized I'm not very bright.

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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: Bruce T] #8320090
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Originally Posted by wissmiss
Should be interesting to see how many and who Donnie pardons and commutes.

You mean President Donald Trump

It will be a tiny fraction of Sleepy Joe's 8,000+ pardons and commutations. Trump's already done great things for Trappers and Hunters. Like appointing Doug Burgum to interior, an avid hunter and gun owner who supports all of the outdoor
blood sports". He made the comment at his confirmation hearing that hunting and fishing can't be separated from a "Love of the outdoors". Biden's Department of the Interior appointee, Deb Haaland (who manages all Federal land) a liberal, Native American supported the trapping ban in her home state of Arizona. AND, a number of other states in her Federal position. She supported and lobbied for a Federal ban on hunting and trapping wolves and wanted them relisted as a Federally Endangered species again. She endorsed the ban on hunting and trapping on the National Wildlife preserves in Alaska (it didn't pass). She was endorsed by the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), PETA, and Wild Earth Guardians, as well as a number of other anti groups. SO, "Donnie" is doing spectacular things for outdoorsmen of all stripes. You don't NEED to like Trump to like what he's doing.

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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: WI Outdoors] #8320097
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Originally Posted by wissmiss
Hey - I listen to all the crapola you guys post. You can listen to the one time I post something I believe in.

If you don’t like it - don’t read it. Plain and simple. Basic rule of the internet.

Snowy said to "ignore him". Are you a he or a she. Your names says you're a she. Not that it matters.

Pronouns pronouns, who cares in the end?

Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8320131
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Deb Haaland is from New Mexico. Don't know about any proposed trapping bans on Preserves (National Park Service) in Alaska. There was an ongoing battle about bear baiting and denning? It would be nice if people could get their facts straight?

It appears coyotes and wolves would not be allowed to be trapped when they were denning.

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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: Dirt] #8320695
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Deb Haaland is from New Mexico. Don't know about any proposed trapping bans on Preserves (National Park Service) in Alaska. There was an ongoing battle about bear baiting and denning? It would be nice if people could get their facts straight?

It appears coyotes and wolves would not be allowed to be trapped when they were denning.

Call Leon Metz and get brought up to speed. AND, read more. Yep I was mistaken when I said she was from Arizona, (it's new Mexico) BUT, she did support the trapping ban in Arizona. Everyone makes an occasional mistake especially when your old.

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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8321015
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Curious what you all think of President Trump's pardon of Dread Pirate Roberts


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Silk Road's Dread Pirate Roberts walks free as Trump pardons dark web kingpin
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Silk Road's Dread Pirate Roberts walks free as Trump pardons dark web kingpin
Silk Road's Dread Pirate Roberts walks free as Trump pardons dark web kingpin
Ross Ulbricht's family are now appealing for donations to support his reintegration into society
Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht is now a free man after US President Donald Trump made good on his promise to issue a federal pardon upon taking office.…

Otherwise known by his online handle "Dread Pirate Roberts," Ulbricht was sentenced to two life sentences in 2015, plus an additional 40 years, with no chance of parole for his role in creating and running the darknet marketplace between 2011 and 2013.

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He was found guilty of seven charges leveled against him relating to drug trafficking, money laundering, computer hacking, and trafficking forged identity documents.

The news doesn't come as a surprise, however. Trump committed to the first-day pardoning of Ulbricht when speaking at the Libertarian National Convention in May 2024. The President said the decision to pardon the Silk Road founder was "in honor" of Ulbricht's mother, who had campaigned for his release.

"I just called the mother of Ross William Ulbright [sic] to let her know that in honor of her and the Libertarian Movement, which supported me so strongly, it was my pleasure to have just signed a full and unconditional pardon of her son, Ross," the President wrote on his own social media site, Truth Social.

"The scum that worked to convict him were some of the same lunatics who were involved in the modern day weaponization of government against me. He was given two life sentences, plus 40 years. Ridiculous!"

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The Libertarian movement is a strong advocate for the use of cryptocurrencies and, generally speaking, anything that promotes the rights of individuals. Silk Road, the first major and defining modern dark web marketplace, was an early adopter of Bitcoin as a method of payment.

Libertarians, cryptocurrency advocates, and certain US politicians have all petitioned the President to pardon Ulbricht in recent years.

Among the more vocal of these politicians is Senator Rand Paul (R-KY), who wrote to Trump before the President issued the unconditional pardon reaffirming his support for Ulbricht, claiming his sentence "is vastly disproportionate to his crimes."

Paul echoed many of the main arguments voiced by proponents of Ulbricht's pardoning in his letter. Those in favor of releasing the Silk Road founder have said previously that his sentence didn't reflect the non-violent nature of his crimes, that he was being punished for the sale of drugs by merely being the creator of the website, and that the actual drug dealers operating on Silk Road received markedly more lenient sentences.

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"Our criminal justice system should protect society from violent lawbreakers instead of filling our prisons with nonviolent offenders like Mr Ulbricht," Paul wrote.

"Throughout my tenure in the Senate, I worked with Republicans and Democrats to support over two dozen different pieces of legislation to help bring much needed improvement to our system. I believe Mr Ulbricht's case is worthy of consideration of clemency because of the nonviolent nature of his offenses and his laudable behavior while incarcerated."

The Free Ross campaign describes Ulbricht as "an idealistic entrepreneur who never intended harm."

"He deeply regrets and has taken responsibility for his actions. He has learned his lesson the hard way. If released tomorrow, he would never break the law again."

In 2017, Ulbricht applied to the Second US Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan, New York, attempting to secure a retrial for what his lawyers argued was an "unreasonable" sentence two years prior. He was unsuccessful.

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Concerning the point about others involved in Silk Road, from drug dealers to other site admins, the court said at the time that the fact that other people received lesser sentences doesn't mean Ulbricht's was unreasonable.

Circuit Judge Gerard Lynch, who was part of the three-judge panel that oversaw the appeal, wrote back in 2017 [PDF]: "Ulbricht was the creator and head administrator of the site. That fact alone distinguishes his case from that of any individual seller or employee who used or worked for the site.

"Ulbricht profited from every sale on Silk Road, and he facilitated the acts of each drug dealer and drug organization that used it. Moreover, he attempted to commission at least five murders to protect his criminal enterprise. Those facts render his case distinguishable from those who committed other crimes using Silk Road or otherwise facilitated its operation."

Ulbricht was never charged in this case over the alleged order of contract killings, although the US government presented evidence which it claimed suggested his pseudonym, Dread Pirate Roberts, had ordered them. He was separately indicted in Maryland over one murder-for-hire charge but this charge was dropped after his two life sentences in New York were finalized.

Ulbricht's team argued that presenting these facts during the trial, without charging him, unfairly influenced the outcome. The judges were unmoved, however. They said the sentence would have been the same with or without the evidence presented.

The appeal also involved arguing that the Silk Road founder's role was more akin to someone running a crack house rather than selling the crack inside it. The judges dismissed this as it "understates the vast extent of Silk Road's drug market, which had thousands of customers and trafficked in about $183 million in illegal drugs."

Lynch wrote: "We cannot fault the district court for rejecting the argument that Ulbricht's contribution to the narcotics trade was inherently less culpable than that of the dealers who paid him to use Silk Road to complete their transactions."

Ulbricht's team argued that because life sentences are rare and typically reserved for the most egregiously violent crimes, his sentencing was again unreasonable.

Lynch responded that just because life sentences are rare does not mean that it is unreasonable in Ulbricht's case, although he conceded that the argument did have some merit, just not enough to overturn it.

He wrote: "As we have described, the district court carefully considered Ulbricht's offense, his personal characteristics, and the context for his crimes, recognizing that only exceptional cases justify such a severe sentence.

"Although we might not have imposed the same sentence ourselves in the first instance, on the facts of this case a life sentence was 'within the range of permissible decisions' that the district court could have reached."

The first images of a smiling Ulbricht leaving prison quickly circulated on social media, although little has been said from his camp.

The Free Ross campaign's website, which is run by Ulbricht's family, updated the home page stating: "Ross Ulbricht is Free!!! Our immense gratitude to President Trump for giving Ross a second chance and to all those who have supported us throughout the years. From the bottom of our hearts, thank you!!! – The Ulbricht family."

His family is also now appealing for donations to help Ulbricht reintegrate into society, accepting payment from the likes of PayPal and various cryptocurrencies including, yes, Bitcoin.

The Register contacted Ulbricht's family for additional information but they did not immediately respond. ®


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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: martentrapper] #8321046
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Originally Posted by martentrapper
Originally Posted by jk
Slow down folks. Some of us are republicans and some are democrats. Some like Trump and some don't and the same for Biden. .....jk


Totally fine with not liking trump. I would be interested in a common sense reason for an outdoorsman, woman, to vote for a democrat. Any democrat.
Let's hear it.

Considering the fact that Gary Schroeder was a Republican state rep for many years, I very much doubt that Nancy voted democrat. I guess it's possible, I've never talked politics with her, but I doubt it. I took her comment at face value, lets see who Trump pardons when he takes office. Well he has been in office two days now, and has pardoned a whole bunch of people. Not just the January 6 people. Maybe you guys could argue about some of them, whether he should or shouldn't have pardoned them. Personally I'm not going to comment until/unless I do some research on the individuals he pardoned.

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Pretty sure Swissmiss is a Trump hater , not a big secret , but only she can confirm.


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Re: Leonard Peltier sentence commuted [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8321069
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I will confirm I am not a trump fan. On the other side - I’m not a fan of Biden either.

There has to be better choices for president. Some one younger.

And there you have it - directly from my mouth. Do what you want with that info. I quite frankly don’t give………..


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