I`ve been looking for any info I can find regarding the use of BAD`s with the Ram snares. Does anybody here have any experience they can share regarding this? Thanks

What would you like to know specifically? I've killed 100's of coyotes this way.

I'd think the spring may open the BAD when it goes off. I'd for sure test it before putting it into use.

It doesn't.

I'd still test it with the specific BAD I was using to be on the safe side. There are lots of variations, break-away weights, brands, and instillation options out there.

What one/ones have you had success with? If we get the BAD option to the deer stops, currently required, the DNR mentioned, there will be guys here using the RAMs on beaver and could use good info. I'm sure they will be required to use 285# or lighter BAD's.

I would think the bad would work the same as your loop end.
Just by closing it on your loop end and on the cable as an extension of the terminal end.
With the exeption that your end will open at you desired pounds.

Doesn't the RAMs put pressure against the lock? If that's the base, BADs shouldn't have issues. As opposed to kill springs like the seneker that put pressure on the end stops.

They pull the cable through the lock (end loop) BBB. It's been many years since I messed with one, but I recall the spring being very strong. I was just worried it would be strong enough to open a break-away device. rvsack says that's not a concern with the BAD's he's used, good news.

No lock on a ram. Only a loop end or S hook break away.

Seems counter productive as the Ram system is for quick dispatch?

My guess is in case a deer, cow or other large animal should step a leg or hoof into it. Plus they are sometimes required by law on snares.

True! A deer or moose stepping through with the leg will bust it. A deer that decides to stick its head in however, will end up dead making an unfortunate 24 hour bait station for coyotes. I just buy replacement snares that are built to break away with having a big game animal step through, and they work.

I am a ROOKIE when it comes to the RAM snares but have seem it work in a video by the original maker Bert?
The force of that spring was intense.

Yep. Gotta really be aware when fooling around with them, especially after they’re set and you’re almost walking away but want to adjust it a little. Always stay out of the bite zone. I bought some old original wolf rams, those are even worse than the newer ones I got! It was dang near scary getting them set with the safeties in the garage.
I’ve got Bert’s old video. Every time the camera zooms in or out you can’t hear him talk, you just hear the whine of the little gears in the lense. Old technology….lol

Thanks for the response, much appreciated. In Mn, we have to have a BAD on our snares and to my knowledge, there is no distinction from the dnr on any type of snare, minus under ice. Using 3/64 1x7 cable, leg caught deer blow through that immediately, with no exceptions that I have seen. As you mentioned below, when one of the cloven hoofed rats sticks it`s beak in there, it`s basically all over but ringing the coyote dinner bell. The Senneker 265 seems to be about the only BAD out there that consistently releases head caught rats, at least that is the claim. I anchor my Rams solid on 8' extensions so the bigger animals can get more than enough momentum going, but I can`t quite wrap my head around the mechanics of the difference between some type of dispatch snare(Senneker, Amberg) and the Ram. I was thinking that there has to be somebody out there that has found a way to by pass the head caught deer situation. Maybe that`s too much to ask for but it would be a great thing if we(trappers) could solve this problem.

There was that kid on youtube, Traplines and Inlines that was catching coyotes here a couple years ago, and I thought for sure he said that he had caught a couple wolves with the 265# yet had no issues with deer. That seems like a stretch, but hey, who knows. I mean I think deer are just way more powerful than a lot of people would believe, but the wolves are no slouch`s either.

Maybe the way to put it is this; can anybody verify no dead deer with 265# BAD`s on Rams? Thanks for all the input.

The Senneker or Lightsout is just a little 3”(give or take) spring that releases after a certain amount of weight has been pulled, then it releases and tries to cinch the snare a few more inches tighter. Very effective, but make sure you build them properly. In the diagrams it looks like the spring opens the lock, but once you cut one off a coyote you see how it works.
Heres dam beavers snares that break away but don’t have the BAD…..

They got all kinds of different kinds of ram replacement snares. There must be a maker in the US for you? Or just call Ian at dam beaver, he’s awesome guy and will probably tell you how to crush em at home.

I believe those ram replacement snares are made in the USA shakey. That one pictured is the exact one I use. If you catch a deer by the head it’s dead. A wolf will break out I’m told by people who learned the hard way. They’re great coyote killers. I like that there is no catch circle often and you can set right back up in the same place. When I first went to rams I was hesitant but they’re quicker to set than free hanging snares. However, in areas without snow they would be a pain because you’d want to wire an arm to something to keep them upright. With snow they’re so easy to anchor with a traditional snare. Just stick em in the snow and they’re just like a stick used for blocking.

Oh yea, says “made in USA” right in the pic!…..lol. Didn’t even see that.
Interesting. I don’t have that many Rams, but I’m changing over to Lightsout after setting a few for coyotes. With the wolf rams, I have trouble getting the right height, I gotta prop it up or hang it upside down from a branch, rig it to a tree sideways or something. I thought most Sask guys were using the small kill systems over the rams…..unless they were already set up with 100 rams.

I don't really know anyone who snares that doesn't use rams. When yote prices were high my son and I used some of the return to buy an army of them. Some guys use the wolf ram like you on yotes just in case a wolf passes through. I know the coyote ram will kill cougars dead as nails because two people nearby have done so. (great incidental catch lol) I've used the same rams at pens and they have worked beautifully. Threw a couple more rams in my truck this morning, got a little more snow so the coyote tmost active rails crossing roads should be freshened up. Right now, that is how I am catching all of my coyotes, sets about 15 yards off the grid road.

Can get a lot of rams out that way. Loneranger from western MB got a huge female wolf in a coyote ram, they'll certainly do the trick! He's all loaded up for rams too. If I had that many and had the set up down pat, I probably wouldn't switch over either. One thing with the Lightsout/Senneker systems, you gotta be set up for putting together new snares from the used ones. The cheap bench swager from Princess Auto is a huge asset compared to the hand held one.