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Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: LocalGnome] #8333184
02/05/25 02:44 PM
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I’d say that you don’t have a mink population problem at all because you just explained why you have mink!

I do know because I participated in the habitat studies on my rivers that lack of adequate prey habitat along shorelines and overhead cover within 100m of the water’s edge is the main reason why I have an overall low mink population. That is scientific fact and since I participated in the studies I was there! That was the basis for all the excitement & criticism about my catch numbers that I eluded to previously. The mink population was low and the local trappers didn’t know how to use the BE in that kind of water fluctuation 25 years ago!

I’m in the midwest and I trapped mink mostly in farm ground. There’s not mush prey for mink when the fields are plowed to the edge of the ditch banks. We have sq mile sections here and if a mile of ditch didn’t have a woodlot somewhere in the section and abutted the ditch my records show that I would catch one mink during a 2-week set period. If the section contained one or more 40 acre woodlots I could figure to catch 2-3 mink.

If we had summer-long dry periods that lasted from May until the fall rains of October and most ditches were dried up, I wouldn’t catch anything that November unless a particular ditches did not completely dry up too long and catch rates would be about normal.

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Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: LocalGnome] #8333381
02/05/25 06:52 PM
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I average 3 to 4 bucks for evey female here in pa. Some creeks just seem to have more minks. They are some creeks that hold minks, and they will actually have dens. Then there others that seen to be more travle ways. Thoes creeks seem to be less productive but when u do make a catch it is almost always a buck...


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Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: LocalGnome] #8333483
02/05/25 08:43 PM
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I trap roughly 5 miles of a wadable river. I average about 1 mink per 20 rats over the last many seasons. I set up sections for 3 days mostly and move. That to me is one reason I feel lI catch about 50-50 YOY and females to adult males. I feel that I am catching several in and near their denning and home areas. I have one section that has always been a good place to catch a few mink but mostly the youn and females. I have caugh mink in my 160s on land in coon trails and they are almost 100% males.

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Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: lumberjack391] #8333509
02/05/25 09:27 PM
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As far as traveling, maybe during the rearing of the young but why would it be any different any other time?[/quote]

Just a fact of life, in most species (except those that stay in groups, herds, packs, etc.) males wander farther and have a larger territory than females. Mink, marten, bobcats, lions, deer, coons, fisher, skunks; the males of all these species and many more, on average have a much larger territory than females.

Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: LocalGnome] #8333641
02/06/25 05:44 AM
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Not convinced that hawks and owls take many mink or muskrat as prey. Anyone know of a DNA analysis of owl pellets showing mink hairs? When you handle any owl or small hawk you will be surprised at how light weight they are so to pick a prey animal off the water (water soaked rat or mink) and not get flipped in the drink I would like to see. Jim stated the mink population where he traps by Lincoln is way down. I would say the same here in the Northeast part of NE. Probably a function of what everyone says but the drought conditions here would be a primary factor in my estimate. Also not a fan of male mink traveling miles along a stream with huge territories. I have BACKTRAILED an awful lot of mink in my life to see where they CAME from more so than where they are going. Trying to put it together showed they were "camped out" at a food source and were either running short of grits or were after "the girls at the dance" when they moved out of the area. Here it seems a mink will stay at a beaver colony, farm pond, brush pile etc. (even at a cattle feed yard) until the food becomes exhausted or too difficult to obtain so it must move. IF ITS FOOD SOURCE IS VARIED AND NOT CONCENTRATED as here, THEN,,,,,,,,,,, a hunt frequency of a larger area probably would be the norm. I remember a small hole in the ice at a large plunge pool CMP (corrugated metal pipe) on the outlet side of a good sized farm pond over 35 yrs. ago. That small hole was surrounded by creek chubs, green sunfish and a few bullheads that a big male mink had fished out of the water. That was 35 years ago and I monitored him (when I could) the rest of the winter . His (I'm assuming his) tracks never left the pond or outlet area until I lost them in the spring thaw. Estimated his home range at that grocery store was 4-5 acres. He would spend some time at an upstream concrete rubble pile hunting mice I assume (indicated by tracks) but he never left the pond area that winter. So my experiences with that one and many more through the years has formed my (however bias) opinions on mink populations here in farm country. In the wetlands and swamp country of MI, NY, LA, WI it may be totally different.................................. the mike..... side note: if you check the research, the # 1 predator of the muskrat in MI is the raccoon, (just like an opossum in a pheasant nest), coons eat the entire litter when they crawl out to a rat house or den in the springtime. ..... the mike again.

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Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: LocalGnome] #8333796
02/06/25 09:34 AM
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Great Horned Owls were extremely important to the Prj second only to the mink! The relationship and importance is explained in the Mink Habitat Indexing document I previously posted in this thread. That's one thing we were checking every 500m for miles of river bank!! Mink prey and mink as the prey habitat!! Can I tell you the % of mink fur & bones in the owl's pellets? Nope, but someone certainly does/did!!!
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I believe there were 57 GHO nests natural & artificial nests on maybe 60 miles of the 3 rivers. The young people were trained to climb the nesting trees and take sample on the ground. As the old geezer on the Prj I was the Captain of the rescue boat. Remember all nests were on the floodplains so quite a few times the fledglings were old enough to bail out of the nest when a climber got up to it. The fledgling;ing would sail away since it couldn't fly and some landed in the river for me to retrieve. We never lost a baby owl! The photo shows me and the last one we had to rescue. For three springs the Prj rented a helicopter to fly the rivers and located nests with chicks so crews could float the rivers and do their sampling.
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Here's a photo of the telemetry crew tracking owls. Notice the lower righthand corner of the railroad bridge abutment, I caught a large male mink in a BE off the corner in 4' of watter. Used one of my "plated" stabilaizers so I could just lower the trap down with a rod made for it.
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Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: LocalGnome] #8333809
02/06/25 09:46 AM
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Excellent discussion. I leave BE sets in the same place from December through the end of February. Regardless of their success rate. Much fewer 'rats compared to years before, but the mink population has appeared to be consistent with males outnumbering females at least 4:1.

This lower drainage of the Wisconsin River often sustains high water events for extended periods. Plays havoc with the muskrats and beaver, but IMO has little effect on the mink with hills nearby.

One food source that I see rarely mentioned is mice. If you're bowhunting on a dry, windless day, you'll swear there are herds of deer all around you as they rustle through the leaves. Often I've observed mink working dead trees over from bottom to top up through the cavities and on to the next tree.

Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: LocalGnome] #8333836
02/06/25 10:10 AM
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Curious to know how many owls are in Michigan compared to Nebraska? Not near as much big timber in Nebraska, so stands to reason the owls may be fewer and farther in between and not as much of a factor, just a random thought not based on data.

I bought my land here in PA 30 years ago tomorrow. I had never seen a bald eagle and lived in this area my entire life, outdoors a lot, of course. I now see them twice a week if not more. Owls can be heard nightly, and in archery season I have had a few try to swipe my hat off my head while in a tree. We have a good deal more avian predators here than ever before in my life, cannot have zero effect, has to have some effect.

Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: LocalGnome] #8333849
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"Just a fact of life, in most species (except those that stay in groups, herds, packs, etc.) males wander farther and have a larger territory than females. Mink, marten, bobcats, lions, deer, coons, fisher, skunks; the males of all these species and many more, on average have a much larger territory than females."
Could just be during mating season. Im unaware of any hard data otherwise than the old method books saying "a male mink has a range of 20 miles". That was one hardy individual that did that tracking.

Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: lumberjack391] #8333859
02/06/25 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
"Just a fact of life, in most species (except those that stay in groups, herds, packs, etc.) males wander farther and have a larger territory than females. Mink, marten, bobcats, lions, deer, coons, fisher, skunks; the males of all these species and many more, on average have a much larger territory than females."
Could just be during mating season. Im unaware of any hard data otherwise than the old method books saying "a male mink has a range of 20 miles". That was one hardy individual that did that tracking.

You might want to read some scientific facts/data in that Mink Habitat Indexing document I posted. It was the Project’s SOP!

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Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: LocalGnome] #8333863
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Not to get off track of the mink topic, just a share of my experience with respects to owl predation on rats.

I have seen great horned owls snatch muskrats twice in my life while predator calling at nite. I am sure it was just a matter of being in the right place at the right time sort of situation.

One situation I was set up calling from some brush not far from a small farm pond. Looking at that time for some red or grey fox I knew were in that area.It was a good moonlite night.

As I was scanning the area with my wheat lite headlamp "what I used in those years" I caught a flash of movement from my right just long enough to see this owl swoop down and nail a muskrat that I hadn't seen at first.

The rat was just near the breast of the dam and not quite over the top of the dam for me to see it moving around much. I did see it as it flopped around under the talons of the owl once I focused on the event more closely.

The other was in Arkansas when doing some beaver control work at night shooting beaver with the Game and Fish Dept. along some Delta Areas. An owl came across the water along the shoreline and snatched a swimming rat at the edge of the bank just in the water. Those owls are some terrors of the night. That rat never knew what hit it.

Great info Mike.

Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: LocalGnome] #8334073
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I've seen redtail hawks along a local canal in the daytime with muskrats they had caught and were in the processing of eating. They would fly into some nearby trees when I passed but always came back to the carcass.

Re: Mink Catch Ratio [Re: LocalGnome] #8334127
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Scared off a hawk that had a mink pinned down once. The avian predators are everywhere these days. Any open water muskrat is living on borrowed time.


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