X2 !!

It has taken millions of years for good beer to evolve.

I don't believe that abiogenisis has been disproven. Spontaneous generation certainly has been.

The two are not the same thing as I suspect you are aware.

But it defies logic. And everything we observe happening. If nothing produced everything, why does it not keep happening?

To believe the old testament version of how we came about requires much more faith than i could ever muster. On the other hand the natural of order of things, mother nature if you will, is GOD as far as I'm concerned. That GOD created us is a no-brainer. GOD also created a lot of other life (besides us) over the course of this earth's lifespan.... most of which has long ago gone extinct.

Because the same conditions do not still exist as they did in the early Earth/atmosphere environment.


I am not saying that abiogenisis has been proven. But it has not been DISPROVEN and it has been shown to produce enzymes and amino acids. The building blocks of larger molecule proteins.

For that matter, dozens of different amino acids have been found on meteorite fragments and in the soils associated with meteor impacts.

And it may very well still be happening at hot water vents in the ocean floor where we know there are minerals and nutrients in solution in a very warm environment.

Isn't science observation? Has any one ever seen one kind evolve in to another king.
Both Creation and evolution take faith.
There are peaple that claim to be in tune with the earth. I say the ones I've met are not.
Now trappers,hunters, farmers, ranchers, they are in tune.
Now when it comes to some one walking in the spirit. I've met people from every aspect of life.
And if it's something you've experienced. It changes you. You become a new person. Jesus called it being born again. You even learn to recognize it in other folks. The fruit they bear is the evidence.
I actually believe there are folks that bear good fruit and live lives more pleasing to God than many self proclaimed Christians I've met. Danny is an example. I believe he has the gift of discernment. I agree with most everything Danny C comments on. Some say only Christians have spiritual gift. But the good book says in the last day God will pour out his spirit upon all flesh.
From the time I was young and not a Christian I never bought into the THEARY of evolution. When it comes to evidence I believe there's just as much to support creation as evolution. Maybee more.
It really depends on what class your looking through.

I guess this is what I mean. Why should almost the entire world think about it? Why almost the entire world? Why are you thinking about it? Why are you curious what anyone thinks? Why are people taking the time to answer? These are the things I'm curious about, because my response to the initial question will depend on your answers to these questions. When it comes to the "big questions" of existence and the nature of reality, etc. - the "religious" questions, most people fall into a small handful of categories: 1) blindly follow whatever my family/culture says, 2) meet a struggle/conflict with my cultural/familial view and form an anti-view, 3) give up or don't bother because it's too difficult, too divisive, or I'm comfortable enough already, or 4) attempt to work it out and form a well-reasoned view based on life as we know it. I think most of us want to be in category 4, so if we're going to have a well-reasoned conversation, it would help to know what your motives, struggles, and goals for the conversation are.


The Christian Bible exists in order to make theological claims, not necessarily scientific or historical claims, and it is making those claims from within an ancient Near Eastern time, place, and cultural landscape. The Genesis 1 creation account is not asking you to believe in a specific time-scale or order of events, it is asking you to believe that Yahweh God created and ordered the universe, filled it with life, abundance, and blessing, and assigned humans an important role of authority on the Earth. That's the basic idea of the Bible's first creation narrative. Does that take more faith than other truth-claims about our origins?

Evolution is undeniable, however it does not mean I do not believe in God, or that we had ape ancestors. I thought about this and had a very interesting thought on the matter. Isn't it awesome that the good Lord built in evolution to all his species to help them adapt to changing environments and climatic conditions? Some species don't adapt fast enough and pass form existence, others do adapt and continue to live on thousands and millions of year, ie sharks and crocodiles etc

Kind of interesting when you think about it this way

You need a heck of a lot more than amino acids to produce life

. "A cell's complexity arises from its intricate internal structure, with numerous specialized organelles performing distinct functions, a complex network of chemical reactions, sophisticated mechanisms for regulating gene expression, and the ability to interact with its environment through a selectively permeable membrane, essentially acting like a tiny, self-contained factory with multiple working parts, all operating in a highly coordinated manner; making even the simplest cell far more complex than any man-made machine of comparable size. "

Think about this for a moment. One cell in your body is more complicated than your cell phone, but we are supposed to believe it could form by accident? Please!

Cells certainly are complicated structures.
My point was ..and is..that abiogenisis has not been disproven (as someone claimed) and may in fact be occurring on Earth even though we can't necessarily see it.

To my way of thinking, there's got to be some sort of creator being. Almost every culture has some sort of creation story. Even if it was as simple as a few unicellular organisms being put on earth and them evolving from there. BUT there is absolutely no way anyone can prove any of this, so there's no point in saying other people's ways of thinking are wrong or trying to convince them to join your's.

In my opinion, no one can believe in Creation and evolution at the same time. Either one or the other is the truth, not both.
Amino acids and stuff are only the building blocks of life. If I had a pile of concrete blocks do you think they would naturally build a brick wall over time? Of course not! The energy manufacturing that is done in a cell requires complex systems. If the system had just ONE part that malfunctioned, the entire cell would collapse and die. How could every single function of a cell evolve at the same time?? And how could the thousands of cells that make up an organism evolve at the same time?? It can’t happen.

If God made man in the image of himself, does he look like Prehistoric man when man came into existence or did he evolve with us?

I sometimes wonder what were the coats of skins that the Lord God made to cloth Adam and Eve.

In Genesis, it says that God killed a lamb to clothe Adam and Eve. This was also an example that God would send his Son, the Lamb of God, to die on the cross for our sins.

Must be a different translation than mine. The KJV, simply says in Genesis 3-21: Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Maybe a verse in Genesis I've missed says God killed a sheep.

I guess that would depend on what it means to be created in his image. I believe that was characteristics provided to us from before birth. Whether you look at a prehistoric or modern man they could all be created in his image. Or Could prehistoric man be the reason Cain had to be marked? The ones who built the cities he went to and found a wife in? Could they have been closely enough related to modern humans to breed, but also something entirely different?

I’m a creationist. I think a lot of folks confuse evolution and adaptation. I’ve never seen a species become a different species. Just a modified version of that parent species.

If evolution means one critter changing into something better,,, then what did a possum use to be?? lol
Looks like some animals dont have to evolve much. Almost nothing wants to eat a possum......They can take a beating and survive. They can eat most anything, Ive never seen their population in a downward spiral. They were mostly a southern animal but now live in some fairly northern areas. Probably the perfect animal with no need to evolve.
My thought is if any evolving went on it was early on in earths infancy while branching out. If anything is occurring as of lately I would say it is downsizing.

See the link below

AI Overview
Learn more
Humans share around 98% of their DNA with chimpanzees, which are considered our closest living relatives, while sharing a significant portion of DNA with other mammals like dogs (around 84%), cats (around 90%), and even cows (around 80%) depending on the species; however, the percentage varies greatly depending on the animal being compared.
Key points about DNA sharing:
Chimpanzees: The closest genetic match to humans, with around 98% shared DNA.
Dogs: Share roughly 84% of DNA with humans.
Cats: Share approximately 90% of DNA with humans.
Cows: Share around 80% of DNA with humans.

Humans share DNA at 99.9 % so small changes in DNA can have major changes in the organism. The DNA between humans and many plants is over 50-60%. These can show that there was a fairly common source for the evolution or the creation of our plant and animal kingdoms. The fact that our land masses millions of years ago were basically one large mass and the over time moved and became isolated can help explain the differences.
Just look at the number and differences in the breeds of dogs man has created in 10k years. What can take place then in hundreds of millions of years and with small changes in genetic code causeing signifcant changes then mutations are more likley. On the other hand it can show that God has been around for very long, long time.He is not some new thought for those that don't want to believe in a very large and old universe. The God I believe in is a big, big and expansive God not one that wants to eliminate most of the World's past or present.

Bryce