I don't want to hijack Husky's evolution post, but one of our members, Foxpaw, made an interesting post with a question and I think it could turn into a very good and informative discussion.

Foxpaw's post......

"If the bible is true then there were the hybrids produced when the angels looked on the daughters of men. They were destroyed in the flood but it is possible the genetics went through in Noahs wife? Other wise where did the giants and Goliath come from?"

I think Foxpaw is spot on. From what I can gather in Jubilees, Jasher, and Enoch is that Noah married a woman named Naamah. She happened to be the sister of Tubal-Cain if the same Naamah in Jasher is the same person as the Naamah in Genesis. Namaah was from the lineage of Cain and her and Noah had three sons that also married other women whose lineage we don't know if they came from Seth or Cain....? I can't remember if it is the Book of Jasher or Jubilees, but one of them points out that the angels fell during the days of Jared.

Either way, The Bible repeats itself again and again that one of the boys, Ham is the father of Canaan, which Nimrod descended from. Whenever the Bible repeats itself I take it as a place to look into. Canaan was inhabited by Giants and all kinds of wickedness according to the OT. By the genetic roll of the dice, perhaps Ham's wickedness came from his mother and that is how we got the giants, King Og, Goliath, Nimrod, and the tower of Babel. All this in Genesis is very misty, shadowy, and cryptic, but those other books shed some light on the subject.

Thoughts?

Oooo we getting into the parts of the Bible in like

Certainly a thought provoking topic Wolfdog. I think it ties into all the ancient megaliths, lost civilizations, underwater cities, ancient ruins, etc.

Chancey,
I would be wary of the source from which this came; "the angels fell during the days of Jared". Lucifer and his followers obviously fell before the fall of man (in the garden).

I don't really have an opinion on the subject.
Mainly because it's not somthing I've felt inspired to prioritize.
But there is a similar thought that I've had about the corrupt seed.
What about the possibility that the Nephilim are the seed of the serpent?
And as you say Cain being the serpent's seed that has caused the seed of the woman to stumble by taking it by the heal.
Also, why was Canan punished rather than Ham?
In Laviticas there is a Law the says if a man lie with his Father's wife, he exposes his fathers nakedness.
Could it be posable that Hams sin was that he lay with his mother in sin.
This sure would have been a manifestation of evil. And Noah's drunkenness could have been a sign of his nakedness.
Just food for thought.
I'm not saying this is what I believe, but if I was seeking something that isn't clear in Scripture this could be a possible theory.

Keith

The giants or men of extraordinary size after the flood aren't to be confused with the Nephilim. The mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame” that were produced by these marriages, did not survive the Flood, as did Noah and his family. They were “Nephilim,” bullies, tyrants, who no doubt helped to make conditions worse. Their angelic fathers, knowing the construction of the human body and being able to materialize, were not creating life, but lived in these human bodies and, cohabiting with women, brought forth children. Their children, “mighty ones,” were therefore unauthorized hybrids. So more than likely they were not able to have children.

Is this info from the apocrypha?

The Nacash was certainly in the garden during Eden. Whether or not his followers were there with him or not, I do not know. Perhaps a rebellion of Lucifer's followers happened after the matter? IDK. What we are talking about is the misty and murky waters of Genesis. We know that Lucifer was God's top hand prior to his rebellion. He led fellowship in heaven and was the anointed one. He was perfect in all his ways until iniquity was found in him. Pride.

The Book of Job is the oldest Book in the Bible. It was written before Genesis. In this Book, we see clearly that God holds conversations with Lucifer; it never mentions any of his followers. The source is from the books Enoch, Jubilees, and Jasher.

Its hard to wrap our minds around it because we forget that people lived so long ago then. They lived so long that multiple generations overlapped. To add to the confusion, the Bible uses similar names to describe both Cain's lineages and Seth's lineages. Just adding to confusion. I think there are answers for those that seek, but those answers are not found in the KJV of the Bible.

I’ve heard a few theories on it. One being multiple incursions. One being survival of these things through the flood somehow. And one being that the nephilim genetics were a trait that was turned back on by something after the flood. It’s got a scientific name that I can’t remember. Laura Sanger has had a few podcast appearances talking about this. I think they are all interesting to ponder, but I don’t think it’s anything we can know definitively. All we can know is they were on earth in those days and after.

I could be mistaken on the exact details, but It is interesting to note that there are myths across the world of people surviving the flood by being taken to space, building other arks, or going underground into sealed caves of sorts.

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Chancey

Interesting speculation, but those books you mention do not have the same authority as the books in the bible. They may contain some history but should be read in that light. Not that any of this makes any difference anyway, but interesting to think about.

While the Bible contains history, it is not a history book, but, it is God's revelation to man about his plan and path for man's redemption.

In the 1870's Buffalo Bill was a guide for the Army and they were in I believe what is now Kansas. Soldiers found a large bone on a sandbar in a creek and brought it back to camp. They were trying to figure out what kind of a bone it was. The camp surgeon inspected the bone and said it was identical to a human thigh bone but it was way too big to be human. There were a lot of Indian scouts travelling with the army and they said the bone was from one of the race of giant people that used to live in the earth. When asked what happened to the giants, the Indians said the big people died in the flood when our ancestors saved themselves by building a boat. All of the western tribes talked about a historical flood that covered the land and their ancestors were saved by building a boat. The story about the flood is found on every continent. If there was a new tribe discovered in some dark corner of Africa, chances are they have a flood story.

I can't explain it all but it cannot be dismissed.

Just a thought on the Giants ,
I've heard that Reptiles continue to grow.
If this is true then who knows .
Maybe a Reptilian human hybrid.
Like perhaps, a serpent?
Just food for thought.

The Gilgamesh story is one such. Not only was the flood story in it but anti-trappers too.

I never made it past "the others". Adams son Cain killed his brother Abel. Now Adam was said to be the first man. Cain was banished to live with the "others". So was Cain the first human to have a Neanderthal wife? Apparently Cains siblings all married their siblings. Something most people frown on today. What happened to Lilith? Why was she allowed to keep her immortality? I am well aware Constantine left Lilith out of the bible but her story came from the people who told the Adam Eve Cain and "others" story. So today there are humans, mostly in Africa and Asia, who have no Neanderthal DNA. Asians have Denisovan DNA though. So are Africans the people that are the descendants of early human incest? If so why are they not Gods "chosen" people?

There is a lot of ideas that are just ideas. Some of those are that hybrids can't produce. They don't produce well but they do produce. Hybrid volunteer corn does make a lot of fm in a bean field.
Then there is line breeding in live stock and dogs.

I like these discussions but do sometimes wonder how this all ties into the message of the Cross?

This thread feels like we're trying to find the most improbable, difficult to explain answer to a question that we cannot reliably actually anwser.

Well people like to start at the beginning and Jesus is not only the beginning but the Alpha and Omega. Jesus did not evolve nor was he created. The cross was on Gods mind in the Garden when he put the skins on the guilty pair. The law of life for life and blood for blood was foretold and beginning to be fulfilled right there in the Garden.

I think your right Donnersurvivor. Its why I said at the beginning of the other thread I had no answers and neither does anyone else.