What a stupid thing to argue about.

Unless they changed the definition of disease, that’s only your opinion……which holds no water…..lol

What a stupid thing to argue about.

Can't argue with that.

https://youtu.be/e3IrJMumbWc?si=E4Rpi7wwzvNq1m1j

Norm MacDonald says it’s a disease. End of discussion.

There is a genetic component to alcoholism. People with a family history of alcoholism have a higher probability of alcoholic behavior themselves, accounting for a predisposition of around 50%.

There are people who are capable of having one drink in a social setting (to ease anxiety, etc.) but no more, because they don't enjoy the experience of being drunk. Ask an alcoholic if they would want just one drink. For an alcoholic, getting drunk is the point.

You can call it a disease or you can call it a disorder; I'm not sure why it's such a big deal what you choose to call it.

https://youtu.be/e3IrJMumbWc?si=E4Rpi7wwzvNq1m1j

Norm MacDonald says it’s a disease. End of discussion.

You must not know who Norm MacDonald was.

Do you reckon that people with family history of alcoholism might just be exposed to alcohol more and at a younger age?

Alcohol dependence (alcoholism), the most severe alcohol use disorder, is a complex genetic disease. Alcoholism has long been noted to run in families, but that alone is not sufficient to demonstrate that genetic factors contribute to risk. Many independent lines of evidence point to genetic contributions to its etiology. Adoption studies show that alcoholism in adoptees correlates more strongly with their biological parents than their adoptive parents10-13. Twin studies in the US and Europe suggest that approximately 45-65% of the liability is due to genetic factors14-17. Animal studies also demonstrate genetic liability; mice and rats have been selectively bred for many traits associated with alcohol dependence, including alcohol preference, alcohol sensitivity, and withdrawal sensitivity18, 19. The ability to genetically select for these traits demonstrates that there are genetic bases for them, and that different genes contribute to different aspects of the phenotype. Taken together, there is overwhelming evidence that genetic variations contribute to the risk for alcohol dependence.

It should be emphasized that while genetic differences affect risk, there is no “gene for alcoholism,” and both environmental and social factors weigh heavily on the outcome. Genetic factors affect the risk not only for alcohol dependence, but also the level of alcohol consumption and the risk for alcohol-associated diseases, including cirrhosis and upper GI cancers. Knowing that genetic factors affect risk does not mean that we know which specific variants contribute, nor how. This is an area of active research as new genes and variants are being identified.

I was informed yesterday from my sister,,
That our sister in law has had enough and left my brother and is filling for divorce.
He’s already lost his first wife because of the drinking… and he’s been to prison twice because of it.
Over the years I’ve plead with him to get help,, and he always has the excuse that it’s too late.
I had a glimmer of hope last year, when he finally went to a place I suggested called “ celebrate recovery “.
It’s a faith based organization that helps people with alcohol and substance abuse issues. And it’s very very successful,,, and doesn’t cost anything.
I had talked with him a few weeks later to see how he was doing,,, and he said he stopped going,,, he didn’t need their help anymore.
Sometimes I guess you can’t reach people… as much as it hurts. I’ll never stop praying for him though… just makes me sad.

How far down that rabbit hole do we want to go , my friend ? There's a myriad of diseases that can be traced to lifestyle . Not saying I disagree with you as it is a choice , but so is obesity. COPD and emphysema is often linked to smoking . I knew two guys who died young due to complications from diabetes. They both managed it poorly and died pieces by piece. Choice ?

You must not know who Norm MacDonald was.