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Re: Debate
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05/12/25 06:57 PM
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So where did the quarks, protons, and gluons come from? And what was causing the heat before the Big Bang you were referring to? Where did God come from? If the answer is He always was..maybe that could fit for an answer for the protons, quarks, and gluons as well.
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Re: Debate
[Re: Husky]
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05/13/25 04:53 PM
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Also what caused the ions to travel at the high speeds required to create the “matter” when they collide? The bible doesn't say. The biblical accounts focus on the divine power and the order of creation, not the mechanistic details of particle interactions. If God thought it was more necessary to be concerned with the mechanics of it he would have surely told us that in His Word. Gods Word is more about His creation and His Divine Will. If you think you need more White has given you plenty of references to study about laws of natural things. Titu3:9 says: 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. That scripture stresses the importance of avoiding unproductive and divisive debates or inquiries, as they are no benefit to spiritual growth or real understanding. The Bible stresses His creation and Divine Will. It is best when offered as free will. If someone has license to drive a car it does not mean they need the knowledge of every moving part of that car. They know how to put the key in it and drive. They don't need to know the exact timing of each piston coming up and when the valves open or when the spark plugs fire. Most don't even know how to change a tire so they wouldn't be qualified to change someone elses. If one has a flat tire and grabs a passerby by the throat asking info how to change it, it wouldn't be as productive as reading the manual yourself. You have to learn to swim without flailing. If you can't swim then grab a board !
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Re: Debate
[Re: Husky]
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05/13/25 05:09 PM
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Every single statement the Bible makes is true and has been proven true. If you are saying the Genesis account of Creation is wrong than you are saying the entire Bible is wrong too. Like I said earlier, find one lie or false statement in the Bible. Just so you know, you’re going to have some trouble finding one. Let me ask you a question in turn. Where does this doctrine of a strict, literal interpretation of every word in the Bible come from? Does the Bible itself state that it should be interpreted that way?
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Re: Debate
[Re: Husky]
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05/13/25 06:32 PM
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Also what caused the ions to travel at the high speeds required to create the “matter” when they collide? God said, let there be light Maybe the vibration of God's words started the movement I've often wondered if that is God's true power, just the sound and vibration of his voice
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Re: Debate
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05/13/25 07:39 PM
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Also what caused the ions to travel at the high speeds required to create the “matter” when they collide? God said, let there be light Maybe the vibration of God's words started the movement I've often wondered if that is God's true power, just the sound and vibration of his voice The problem with that is that it doesn’t work for evolutionists. That would mean God caused creation to happen, not the Big Bang.
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Re: Debate
[Re: Husky]
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05/13/25 07:48 PM
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The problem with that is that it doesn’t work for evolutionists. That would mean God caused creation to happen, not the Big Bang. Or God caused the Big Bang to happen. The Big Bang itself suggests a beginning to our universe and is a compelling argument for God. The idea of the Big Bang is first attributed to Georges Lemaître, who was a Catholic priest. This isn't an inherently atheist idea.
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Re: Debate
[Re: Husky]
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05/13/25 07:49 PM
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Math 13 24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.
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Re: Debate
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05/13/25 07:56 PM
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…. What if he farted and that set things in motion
… just thinking out loud here And if a match was put to it then that would surly be a big bang!!! Jesus told Nicodemus the spirit is like wind that we don't know from where it came. Not mocking, just funin.
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Re: Debate
[Re: NorthwesternYote]
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05/13/25 08:14 PM
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The problem with that is that it doesn’t work for evolutionists. That would mean God caused creation to happen, not the Big Bang. Or God caused the Big Bang to happen. The Big Bang itself suggests a beginning to our universe and is a compelling argument for God. The idea of the Big Bang is first attributed to Georges Lemaître, who was a Catholic priest. This isn't an inherently atheist idea. If I'm not mistaken Catholics are old earth and haven't taken to the young earth thing yet, but I could be wrong?
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Re: Debate
[Re: Husky]
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05/14/25 06:50 PM
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How do evolutionists explain the variety of animals on the earth? Not one single transitional fossil has ever been found. Darwin himself said that if no transitional fossils were found the entire theory of evolution would collapse. I think a quick Google search turns up several examples of transitional fossils. Wikipedia gives an Archaeopteryx fossil as an example of a transitional fossil between dinosaurs and modern birds. But I'm still awaiting your answer to my question. Let me ask you a question in turn. Where does this doctrine of a strict, literal interpretation of every word in the Bible come from? Does the Bible itself state that it should be interpreted that way?
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Re: Debate
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05/15/25 06:35 AM
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So if evolutionists are saying g that God might have started the Big Bang, why couldn’t Gid have spoken the universe into existence like that Bible says? Why do people get stuck on God creating a big bang? What if there was just outer space with comets and asteroids floating around and two of them just smacked into each other at about a billion miles per hour a gazillion years ago? Why does there have to be a reason they hit each other or a source of where they came from or some magical guy in the sky throwing them at eachother? Did you know that the elements of the periodic table are what those rocks floating out in space are made of? That they contain the same basic footprints that we do? i.e. everything we know of is made up of star dust and has the same ingredients. Did you know finding meteors that crash into earth for their minerals was a thing? Not new minerals we weren't sure existed but the ones we know about, the periodic table mostly. When was the last time they they found a rock that fell from space and had to add a square to the periodic table? Did you know when you see a shooting star that the color you see is the material its comprised of burning up in the atmosphere? Thats why they are diff colors. Some soft some hard and they burn up diff. I guess this is where some genious asks... but where did the outter space orig from then? There had to be a start for something... well if some magical dude in the sky makes you feel better believe in it I guess. Anyway. Not to start in on this thread again but geezemlou. Check this out. Start watching about 5:00 min mark if you are in a hurry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIDs-VTCaNU
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