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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408247
05/23/25 04:35 PM
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I was responding to Huskies question, he was the one asking about race and color, Im just stirring the pot on these "inconsistencies". I'm not just going on "faith"

Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408310
05/23/25 06:59 PM
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If possums had the brain matter to ponder their existence, they might come up with the creator as being a large celestial possum.


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408325
05/23/25 07:14 PM
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I believe the nazis tried to cross humans and gorillas


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408327
05/23/25 07:18 PM
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As far as skin color, it has to do with vitamin d production. As humans moved further north, our skin needed to produce less melanin, so that we could absorb more sunlight and thus produce more vitamin d. The very first humans to live in Europe would have had fairly dark skin, and as the generations passed, skin got lighter and lighter


i dont believe that. Indians in the arctic dont have blue eyes, their hair is black and their skin a tan color. They have demonstrably been there for thousands of years.


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Re: Human evolution [Re: danny clifton] #8408346
05/23/25 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
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As far as skin color, it has to do with vitamin d production. As humans moved further north, our skin needed to produce less melanin, so that we could absorb more sunlight and thus produce more vitamin d. The very first humans to live in Europe would have had fairly dark skin, and as the generations passed, skin got lighter and lighter


i dont believe that. Indians in the arctic dont have blue eyes, their hair is black and their skin a tan color. They have demonstrably been there for thousands of years.

Have you ever seen an older native guy in the arctic with their shirt off? You might want to change your assertion if you witness it. They definitely do tan well though, but so do some northern Europeans.


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8408355
05/23/25 07:48 PM
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Danny, a chance mutation of the gene(s) responsible for skin melatonin would have given successive generations a health advantage in the far north where there is less Vitamin D producing sunlight. It doesn't mean it was absolutely required for survival. Maybe just increased the odds of your progeny surviving and reproducing. In essence, that is evolution at work.

Given enough time it could happen with other populations in the far north. Or not.


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Re: Human evolution [Re: trapdog1] #8408365
05/23/25 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by PAskinner
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"Then where did humans come from? How do evolutionists explain the difference races or colors of humans?"


Ok, so how does the bible explain the different races and colors, if man was made in the image of God???
It's inconsistencies like this that makes people question the creationists and the Bible...

You are totally missing the point of being madd in God's image. Has nothing to do with how we look. Do you really think God has human features? He's Spirit. He exists everywhere.
You don't know that God doesn't have human features. Might look like Elvis for all anybody knows.


We are talking about the biblical God. That's where the idea of us being in his image is taken from. And that God has no limits, and dwells in unapproachable glory. Yes, he took on human form in order to save us, but he is still omnipresent and omnipotent. We are also Spirit but our spirit is tethered to the body for now.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8409643
05/26/25 01:35 PM
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Archie Bunker answered this question. "I ani't no monkeys uncle." laugh

Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8409651
05/26/25 02:02 PM
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Archie had a lot of things wrong didn't he? LOL


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8409662
05/26/25 02:24 PM
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I only read your first post on the thread Beaverpeeler. As with those that share your views you seem quite smug and sure of yourself. Maybe even a little Condescending tords creation. That's your right and opinion.

Funny how you seem to lean so heavy on carbon dating yet From what I have read after about 2500 years the carbon requirements are no longer in things. Then want to use layers of fossil as proof but over look things like a known event like mount st Helen eruption and the layes of fossils created during that even due to the drastic environmental change in a short time frame. When some were sent off from that area they were dated 25 million years old. Funny how that happened becuese they were under 30 years old or so. If I'm a few year off going from memory I'm ok with they better than several million years off with an arrogant mentality.

You want to know what happen or where we came from it simple GOD spoke. It's in Genesis. I won't argue or go into this further I can see in just your first post you already have it figured out. If your interested research it yourself check out what the creation museum has laid out way better than I can try to repeat. If for no other reason to blow it out of the water with your superior intellect and intelligence. I'm just an ignorant hick factory worker so I'm sure it's easy to pull one over on me. But someone as smart and well informed as you will easily be able to point out where they are wrong I'm sure.

Tell then yes you have the right to your opinion and you also have the right to be wrong same as I do. As is written Every knee will... Maybe if you actually look into it with an open mind your eyes will become clear before that time comes. Or maybe you can blow it out of the water.

Sounds like your searching. And I hope you don't take this as being hateful but an attempt to be helpful instead. I avoid opening this untill today.

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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8409663
05/26/25 02:36 PM
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I always look into this subject when it comes up, not for any answers but to see how long it takes to side wind into
religion verse's the evolution idea, not very long every time !!

To me you have two choices, stay with one or the other, trying to mix them both will never work out !


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Sorry if my opinions or replies offend you, they are not meant to !

Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8409683
05/26/25 03:29 PM
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As PAskinner was saying: "We are talking about the biblical God. That's where the idea of us being in his image is taken from. And that God has no limits, and dwells in unapproachable glory. Yes, he took on human form in order to save us, but he is still omnipresent and omnipotent. We are also Spirit but our spirit is tethered to the body for now."

Seems like I recall some scripture where Jesus had to explain to a misguided group that we are all Gods creation but not all are Gods children !

And the part about being being tethered to this body for now is true until that silver cord snaps then there is no returning to this stage. Much like when a baby is born and that umbilical cord is cut, there is no returning to the womb.

Re: Human evolution [Re: GritGuy] #8409701
05/26/25 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GritGuy
I always look into this subject when it comes up, not for any answers but to see how long it takes to side wind into
religion verse's the evolution idea, not very long every time !!

To me you have two choices, stay with one or the other, trying to mix them both will never work out !

To me it’s not inconceivable that an omnipotent god could set evolution into motion, knowing very well where it would end up.

Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8409705
05/26/25 04:24 PM
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Hey Providence, if my take on how we came to be offends you I am sorry. Condescending isn't a good look so I'll do some thinking on that.

Thanks for your comments.


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8409709
05/26/25 04:31 PM
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BP, I came across another human/ape hybrid from the Soviet Union under Stalin
I'm sure the US has done it also

I didn't save the link

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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8409710
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Hey Providence, if my take on how we came to be offends you I am sorry. Condescending isn't a good look so I'll do some thinking on that.

Thanks for your comments.



Not offended at all and I understand the minde set. You/we look at layes of fossils and all the scientist and think how can anyone not believe the earth is millions of years old. Basically easy to put those folks in the same light as a flat earth individual. It's very logical and makes since.

I'm sincere in asking you to look into some of the stuff the creation museum has. If your genuinely interested an open minded it will get you to think a little if nothing else. I once has very similar thoughts considering fossils and the standard scientist explication and how it conflicts with Genesis. If I were smarter or more tech savvy I could point it out making an easy to follow link.

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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8409719
05/26/25 04:47 PM
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I'm very open minded to the notion that God set all things in motion. The how it was done and when it was done is where we will likely always disagree. Evolution is the only thing that readily makes sense to me. Genesis does not provide adequate answers for the many discoveries that have been made over the years. Now if you're a "believer" you are now required to poke holes best you can in the discoveries and the science behind them. Paleoanthropologists are not trying to discredit the bible. They're not bound to anything other than trying to discover the truth. Once you tell me the age of the world is 6000 years anything else that gets said after that is wasted on me ....


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8409735
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Genisis1:1 is problably the most misunderstood verse in the bible. BTW, it's not about creation. If the subject interests you, and you are willing to learn something new, go ahead and research it. There is a lot on the subject, and it isn't anything new. You have to look at it in the context of the Hebrew language.

Here is an explaination of just the first word of the bible.
Something to know about Hebrew; each letter has an assigned number, and and assigned word that a letter represents.
[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/bjupLN5-ZUQ?si=f0YH5BGUmXJ3jXMg[/video]


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Re: Human evolution [Re: beaverpeeler] #8409741
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I'm very open minded to the notion that God set all things in motion. The how it was done and when it was done is where we will likely always disagree. Evolution is the only thing that readily makes sense to me. Genesis does not provide adequate answers for the many discoveries that have been made over the years. Now if you're a "believer" you are now required to poke holes best you can in the discoveries and the science behind them. Paleoanthropologists are not trying to discredit the bible. They're not bound to anything other than trying to discover the truth. Once you tell me the age of the world is 6000 years anything else that gets said after that is wasted on me ....





And amazingly each year there are archeology discoveries that back up the Bible. The thing is you have to make a choice at some point. Either you believe or you don't. You Either believe all of it or none of it. If you just want to pick and chose what to believe what's the point.

Questioning it is healthy and will strengthen a believers belief or destroy it.

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A true scientist never stops from seeking the truth. When a true scientist discovers what many would consider to be the truth, they do not rest on their laurels. They continue to do research even if it disproves their research. Why? Because they know that since the beginning the application of the Scientific Method, many conclusions which were considered scientific fact have been disproven. The Earth is not flat, The Earth is not the center of the universe. Margarine is not better than butter. Old Bay is not as good as what Louisiana coonasses use.
Creationism absent of the possibility of evolution requires Blind Faith.
A true scientist does not rule anything out.
Blind Faith, to me, appears to.

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