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Trump and banks #8425356
06/24/25 07:25 AM
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While I am far from agreeing with everything Trump does, I think it might be interesting to hear what the TDS crowd has to say about this.

https://www.wsj.com/finance/banking...Bq&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Big Banks, Worried About Being Trump’s Next Target, Race to Appease Republicans

Texas and Oklahoma have banned some banks from state contracts, saying they discriminate against the gun and fossil-fuel industries


Big banks are trying to get out of the crosshairs of Republican states that are cracking down on companies for “woke” policies that conservative policymakers say are illegal and discriminatory.

Representatives from JPMorgan Chase JPM 1.19%increase; green up pointing triangle, Citigroup C 1.16%increase; green up pointing triangle, Wells Fargo WFC 2.14%increase; green up pointing triangle and other big banks met in recent weeks with officials in states including Texas and Oklahoma to defend against allegations that they refuse to do business with industries such as gun manufacturing and fossil-fuel extraction, people familiar with the discussions said.

Banks are also worried about a bigger threat: that President Trump could turn the power of the federal government against banks, as he has with universities and big law firms.

The Trump administration is considering an executive order on “debanking,” according to people familiar with the matter.

Leaders in a growing number of conservative states have accused banks of boycotting industries for political reasons, rather than based on traditional factors such as the ability to repay debts. States including Texas and Oklahoma have blacklisted some banks from state contracts as a result. Banks say they weigh risks when deciding who to do business with and limit ties with companies for financial, legal and reputational reasons.

“I’m not asking them to be MAGA banks,” Todd Russ, Oklahoma’s state treasurer, said in an interview. “I want them to manage my portfolio and stay out of these political ideologies. I think they realize that’s a fair place to be.”

Russ said JPMorgan, Bank of America BAC 1.76%increase; green up pointing triangle and Wells Fargo have met with him to try to get off Oklahoma’s blacklist of companies that discriminate against oil-and-gas companies.

Earlier this month, Citigroup met with Texas Gov. Greg Abbott to discuss the bank’s decision to end its policy of not doing business with companies that sell firearms to people under the age of 21, a person familiar with the matter said.

Citigroup and JPMorgan updated their policies this year to clarify that they don’t discriminate on political grounds, which the banks said were already part of their existing practices. They were also among the big banks that recently left the Net-Zero Banking Alliance, an industry climate group targeted by Texas’ attorney general.

Goldman Sachs GS 0.95%increase; green up pointing triangle, Morgan Stanley MS 0.97%increase; green up pointing triangle, JPMorgan and Wells Fargo have removed some limitations on working with the coal sector or have been discussing whether to do so, according to people familiar with the matter. Bank of America dropped its ban on coal companies in late 2023.

A spokeswoman for JPMorgan said, “We believe understanding policymakers’ perspectives while sharing our own makes us a better bank.” Bank of America said it serves clients in the oil-and-gas industry, as well as those working in clean and renewable energy.

Wells Fargo and Citigroup declined to comment.

A new cause célèbre
Discrimination in banking has become a cause célèbre under Trump, with a coalition of Christians, conservatives, and crypto groups accusing big banks of denying them services on political grounds. The Trump Organization sued Capital One COF 1.65%increase; green up pointing triangle in March over the bank’s decision in 2021 to shut down hundreds of its corporate accounts. Capital One disputed in a court filing that the account closures occurred because of disagreement with Trump’s politics.

“I would love to see some of the big banks go extinct, because, honestly, they deserve it,” Eric Trump said in May at a crypto conference in Las Vegas.

Banks can shut down accounts without explanation for a number of reasons, which has long fueled allegations of discrimination.

In recent years, banks also limited their ties with some industries as they sought to incorporate environmental, social and corporate-governance standards into how they do business.

The moves fueled a backlash. Texas and Oklahoma passed laws forbidding state agencies from doing business with companies they say discriminate against the gun or oil-and-gas industries. Tennessee and Idaho passed similar laws more recently.

Banks on states’ blacklists could lose state pension funds as clients and other state business. The risks can be bigger. In Florida, the law cites the possibility for “dissolution or reorganization” if banks are found to be making decisions based on customers’ political or religious views.

An executive order from Trump could also jeopardize banks’ ties with the federal government, such as the sale of Treasury bonds. Drafting of the executive order could be taken up by Trump’s Domestic Policy Council, run by Vince Haley, with other White House departments weighing in, people familiar with the matter said.

Stepped-up talks
Many large banks’ meetings with Republican states have increased this year, according to people familiar with the matter.

Big banks have also told Republican leaders on the Senate Banking Committee that regulators required them to consider reputational risks posed by their customers, including negative press about companies.

Sen. Tim Scott (R., S.C.), chair of the Senate Banking Committee, in March proposed legislation that would prohibit regulators from considering reputational risks. Since then, regulators under Trump have moved to eliminate the concept from their bank exams, with the Federal Reserve Board on Monday becoming the latest to do so.

Russ, Oklahoma’s treasurer, credited JPMorgan for leaving a number of climate alliances, which he said proves the bank is serious about changing its policies. But the bank remains on the state’s blacklist, along with Bank of America, Wells Fargo and others.

“There’s been a lot of political posturing and philosophical interjections into the financial decisions that these big companies have been making,” Russ said. “We want them to work right down the middle. No activism, no politics, no philosophical assertions.”


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Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425366
06/24/25 08:09 AM
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http://www.usdebtclock.org/
This place is getting more like Facebook every day.

Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425383
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Hmmm, the big banks seemed less concerned about the gov't when the Biden admin pressured them into debanking the firearm and fossil fuel industries. Some of them just went along with those discriminatory policies. It's not enough to just force them back into compliance with the law, they need to be punished financially and those at the top that went along need to be removed and prohibited from involvement in the banking industry for a number of years. That's the only way to create a disincentive to going along with unlawful practices driven by political ideology.

Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425384
06/24/25 09:15 AM
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ESG is still around. The banks are the biggest ones pushing it, especially Blackrock.

Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425395
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Who owns blackrock

Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425403
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It’s not really the full story,,,,just part of it. imho

The genius act/stable coins are the real threat to the banking system,,,,

Re: Trump and banks [Re: concrete man] #8425413
06/24/25 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by concrete man
Who owns blackrock

It's publicly owned. Funny thing is other big, publicly trades companies like vanguard owns sizable chunks of it. I think blackrock owns a good piece of vanguard as well so it's a big circle.

Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425414
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I would really like to see the government increase the 10k cash reporting.

10k ain't what it used to be.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: Trump and banks [Re: Steven 49er] #8425417
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Fewer and fewer transactions are done in cash. I heard from a friend that his Chevy dealership preferred a personal check and refused a paper sack full of cash money. This happened ten years ago.

My wife’s sister and niece have worked in the corporate office of a large national bank. They examine large cash deposit trends. The bank has a fraud division that works closely with the IRS to curb tax evasion and drug transactions.

Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425438
06/24/25 11:27 AM
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Large banks/bankers are very low on my list of honorable people....Parasitic, and non-loyal to the republic for which we stand.

Fancy them, and the horse they rode in on straight to hades.


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Re: Trump and banks [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8425483
06/24/25 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by concrete man
Who owns blackrock

It's publicly owned. Funny thing is other big, publicly trades companies like vanguard owns sizable chunks of it. I think blackrock owns a good piece of vanguard as well so it's a big circle.



Vanguard has no outside investors other than folks who own shares of its mutual funds.
Blackrock's 13 D, F, G show no indications of any vanguard fund ownership out of over 5400 individual positions.

It is probably more cost efficient for BLK to buy individual positions than to pay ongoing fees to Vanguard every year


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Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425532
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I have vanguard. It is not have any connection with black rock. As I understand it blackrock major ownership is the Chinese.

Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425551
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Blackrock is publicly owned.

2834 different institutions ( mutual funds and pension funds) own 83 % of it.

There is no indication that there is any ownership connection between BLK and the CCP BUT................BLK does invest a lot of money in China in different infrastructure projects.

Bottom line IMO, is that BLK owns more of China than China owns of BLK.


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Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425561
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White can we really be sure that the Chinese don't have control of brk. They own a bit of US farmland under private ownership . Don't know for sure don't want to argue just see allot going that way.

Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425568
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I think we can be sure. There are so many US outfits with so much skin in the game that no one is going to get away with very much. Just too many eyes watching every dollar. In addition to that all the different forms and disclosures that BLK has to file on a quarterly basis are closely scrutinized by a host of others trying to discern what someone else might know. Always looking for an advantage. Thankfully, those forms are public knowledge.

IMO that is one of the great strengths of our financial markets. Everyone wants to keep tabs on what they believe is due them as a return on their investment.

Also, there are short sellers out there with lots of computing and accounting resources......just looking for any discrepancy they can exploit. That constitutes a second layer of surveillance IMO


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Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425570
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Here's the the top institutional holders of BLK

Vanguard Group Inc 13.76M Mar 31, 2025 8.88% 13,830,965,188
Blackrock Inc. 10.36M Mar 31, 2025 6.68% 10,406,106,929
State Street Corporation 6.36M Mar 31, 2025 4.11% 6,392,832,808
Temasek Holdings (Private) Ltd 5.09M Mar 31, 2025 3.29% 5,117,576,054
Bank of America Corporation 4.44M Mar 31, 2025 2.87% 4,465,460,109
Capital World Investors 4.05M Mar 31, 2025 2.61% 4,067,532,540
Morgan Stanley 4M Mar 31, 2025 2.58% 4,019,364,576
Capital Research Global Investors 3.43M Mar 31, 2025 2.22% 3,449,064,331
Geode Capital Management, LLC 3.11M Mar 31, 2025 2.01% 3,124,491,541
Wells Fargo & Company 2.57M Mar 31, 2025 1.66% 2,582,122,383

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Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425627
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I opened an account in Arvest Bank in Arkansas using a small check from a lady I was working for. The bank asked me if taxes has been withheld from the check. Why would they ask?


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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
I opened an account in Arvest Bank in Arkansas using a small check from a lady I was working for. The bank asked me if taxes has been withheld from the check. Why would they ask?

Extremely odd. Why would taxes be witheld on any check?

Can you imagine the nightmare it would be if you or your client had to pay payroll taxes on every personal check.

Re: Trump and banks [Re: yotetrapper30] #8425644
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… I didn’t read all of that but the hitchin post got new pool tables and the banks on em are pure


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Re: Trump and banks [Re: charles] #8425664
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Originally Posted by charles
Fewer and fewer transactions are done in cash. I heard from a friend that his Chevy dealership preferred a personal check and refused a paper sack full of cash money. This happened ten years ago.

My wife’s sister and niece have worked in the corporate office of a large national bank. They examine large cash deposit trends. The bank has a fraud division that works closely with the IRS to curb tax evasion and drug transactions.



Maybe in your part of the world.

Here cash is king.


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