Yes they are paid to protect the public just as you were as a game warden. Yall are some sorry (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) pieces of (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) that dont realize a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) thing. all you want to do is to try to elevate your sorry self to maksomeone else who has been in the fight and is familiar with the state to look like a freaking idiot. (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) on all of you turdheads

I can see both sides here. You can only warn someone but it also sounds like there was an entire generation of folks sitting in the path that had no idea of what the actual risks were having never experienced such.

How do you carry that generational knowledge forward and prepare for it?

I'm reminded of Miami and hurricane Andrew.

Dag on it, your kinda cuttin your throat ole boy. I don't mean disrespect ok. You keep sayin there's a problem in this area but it's apparent y'all ain't doing squat to advert it. Listen, I'm in Ohio and I cryed today, I thought bout them young babies looking to find Jesus and got swept away, it broke my heart. If that area is truly like you say, and I believe it is, then your State needs to do something, they've had notice. To me, this is on Texas, they failed!

I respectfully think you should chill out.
Believe it or not, many people myself included are very familiar with this area, the weather and how first responders respond. They are not first alerters.
IF there is a warning system in place, it would have warned them. If there isn't, it won't warn anyone in some magical way that you think exists in every remote corner of the state. Weather forecasting is is a joke in the 21st century, especially when it comes to freak weather in Texas.
Sit back and relax and try to do something positive instead of ripping everyone a new one, from state officials to anons on an internet BB.

Texas isn't any different lol, nah.

This couldn't have happened at a worse time of day. I saw that the water rose 30 feet from midnight to 6:00 a.m. Those little girls were sleeping and probably thought it was just a bad dream. A tragedy that is hindsight at this point. But if a cop can go to prison over George Floyd dying from an overdose...................

You put this on social media. No one is trying to "smash you."

My heart hurts for those lost and their families and friends. This is a bad tragedy.

Im at a loss here to understand just what you think the EMA folks could've done different....after the warnings were issued/updated.

I can see (as I don't know the historical info for that area) that this incident is not much different than a bad hurricane event. People get complacent (media now saying this was a 100-year flood event)......they don't heed any available warning beacuse they don't want to leave their home....catastrophe hits at worse time of day (night).

Please explain what can/should've been done that wasn't done to prevent this.

As a state law enforcement officer for nearly 30 years (with all that emergency management training (NIMS), these disasters, even though not surprising that they will occur, we were limited to mostly helping people after the fact as many/most will say "that ain't gonna happen" and will not evacuate.

Ive been involved in several natural disaster plannings and responses including tornadoes, wildfires, hurricanes, and floods. During some of these events, we had teams that tried pre-disaster to get people to evacuate. Some evacuations were "mandatory", but we all know how that sometimes goes. Been involved in hurricane prep/responses on Georgia's coast to get residents to evacuate the islands. Then we went back and rescued folks and removed victims. I was in Biloxi, Gulf Port, and Pass Christian, MS for a week after Hurricane Katrina. We were part of a Georgia DNR body recovery team. The bodies we recovered were folks that did not evacuate. I have boated up to many flooded homes here in Georgia and removed both live and dead victims. I'm at least one notch higher than an "armchair expert."

I remember back in 1976 when 144 campers drowned in a flash flood in the Big Thompson Canyon in Colorado. Five bodies were never found. My family camped there often in the years leading up to that event. Mother Nature is full of surprises but today we have technology to know these things are coming. Kerrville, Texas has a population of 24,000+. You would think law enforcement would have had officers on duty that were aware of what was happening.

They likely did. Do you think they notified anyone?

Sounds like your saying It's a very high risk potential of this Happening in that area and a lot of people/organazations decided it was a great place to have church camps for kids.. So to me the people putting those camps on failed in their responsibilities to manage risk and monitor the danger. Sure the government can help warning ect but that doesn't negate personal responsibility and that of the people putting in the camps.

It's not the governments responsibility to keep you safe from making poor choices or being uninformed of potential dangers.

The only way I see to prevent this in the future is to clear all homes, businesses, and camps completely out of that entire river bed.

Is there another way?

1987 Guadalope River flood....

https://youtu.be/hxVpDzS68VU?si=ypZ_2db-V42hBoUC

I would imagine they could run a system out there similar to a tornado siren.

Good info on the system Warrior.

The only glitch I see is the very late (Friday morning at 0400 hrs) emergency warnings. Which is probably the warning that would make folks get out. That seems to be much too late and at a bad time....everyone's asleep.

Night time events/warnings will always be problematic unless the public can be convinced to post some sort of firewatch type guard.

Even here in the south where we expect tornadoes and have good warning systems in place the night time ones always claim a few more victims.

The river rose nearly 30 feet in 45 minutes. Do the math.

It also happened in the early morning hours when it was still dark and most still sleeping. The nature of that area is full of winding two lane roads with low water crossings. These low water crossings get out first usually and can block off escape while the river is still on the rise. Even if they received warning, there just was no time; please keep praying.

That is incredible water rise. In a canyon it can't spread out...

Being this has happened several times b4, why is there no better warning system in place. Maybe this is what Sheepdog is referring to.

Must be very cost prohibitive or some other problems that prevents a better alert of flash flooding along that river.

I kind of gather that the area is a very sparsely populated rural area. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. If so, I can see some sort of alarm system, especially for such an uncommon event, being low priority.

Kind of like how we got cable where I grew up. The state built a prison a few miles away and it got cable run to it before they opened the doors.

Internet Google shows a lot of floods on that river but reported deaths in 1987, 2015, and now 2025.

It could be argued that local EMA dropped the ball on the mitigation and preparedness of the Guadalope River flooding potential in this area.

Unfortunately, most EMAs focus almost entirely on response and recovery....because that's the cheaper alternative.

They can't get funding (tax $$) to do any mitigation and very little $$ for preparedness.