Re: All electric crap
[Re: Foxpaw]
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They been telling on the news the last couple nights that as soon as AI kicks in full speed there won't be enough electricity to go around. That really only means the price is going up to ration it out.
I think where the mistake was made was not letting the electric cars and solar and wind work its way in gradual like they worked in tractors when switching from mules. If electric wind and solar was efficient then the free market would have been the driving force and would have worked in with no unknowns. The way they shut down the pipe lines and started force feeding the electric cars on people wasn't workable in a free market system. But i guess Greta and the Rainman had car production on the way and needed a market. Now they are all dressed up and no where to go. But I guess the lithium will keep somewhere, maybe Fort Knox, lol !
Just me but I would rather finish out my days next to a solar and/or wind farm than next to Chernobyl or Fukushima ! Paducah enrichment plant had contamination problems for years. But those southwest winds in the winter are very refreshing, lol. Maybe as refreshing as farm chemicals in our food and water.
It kinda makes me wonder about the fact my great, great grandpa carried a mini ball in his hip for years and he lived to be 92 yrs of age and his wife lived to be 90 and they both smoked a pipe. And none of my more recent family has lived past their mid 80's. Everyone makes a big deal about Chernobyl and 3 Mile Island. Fukishima didnt do much either.In reality, they werent near as bad as what the hysteria makes them out to be. 3 Mile had a containemtent system. When that disaster occurred, the worst you got in that area was the equivalent of a chest x ray. The problem that chernobyl had was one, it was run by people that didnt have a clue what they were doing and two, it did not have a containment vessel. Thats why the radiation there got a bit more out of hand. They were doing an experiment that they shouldnt have and things ended the way they did. Microsoft is in the process of restarting 3 mile.
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Re: All electric crap
[Re: Shakeyjake]
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Based on 2023 statistics natural gas 43% Nuclear 18% coal 16% wind 10% hydro 6% solar 4% biomass 1% oil < 1% geothermal <1% Not here. You guys gotta build more dams, cleanest power out there and you keep using the same water over and over with multiple dams. If Alberta's $ is oil, our big $ is hydro power. Not sure what the enviro nuts have more issues with, hydro or nuclear. They are trying get rid of dams across the country, not build them.
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Re: All electric crap
[Re: SNIPERBBB]
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Not sure what the enviro nuts have more issues with, hydro or nuclear. They are trying get rid of dams across the country, not build them. True, but not so much here. Look at the damage that just the footprint of a solar set up is, turbines pollute the air and kill birds. It all depends on how much power you want. Were stretched thin as it is already, never mind adding quick chargers and all this other crap. What rolls around after a hurricane or whatever……a big cube van with a pile of phone charging station……lol. What a joke!
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Re: All electric crap
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Just wait until a bunch of data centers are completed. We are going to need a LOT more power, and grid, than we are even close to having, right now. Nuclear will certainly be part of the solution, but even with streamlined permitting, they take a long time to build. Natural gas will be a major contributor to "new" energy, but facilities need to be built for those, as well. Tearing out dams is a terrible idea, and all that noise is mostly generated by the left. The wind "farms" are a disaster and an eyesore of the highest magnitude. Would love to see every last one gone. Not a fan of solar panel fields, either, however with the new battery storage technology coming up the pipe, solar is, and will continue to be an important part of the future energy solution for the United States. God Bless America!
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Re: All electric crap
[Re: Foxpaw]
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Any guesses how far electricity can be sent thru high voltage wire without losing a lot of it. I read 300+ miles ? Well, northern Canada to central US is pretty far. A lot of things happen in between those points. Google NERC. All depends on a bunch of things, there’s no set number. Type and size of conductor, the further the distance the higher the voltage you want. We convert 500AC to DC up in Gilliam then send it down to Winnipeg area to be converted back to AC to feed us and parts of the northern US. There’s less heat loss with DC as the current isn’t alternating back and forth. Our 500AC lines near me are 3 phases, each having a bundle of 1200MCM aluminum conductor with a steel core. The more expensive the conductor, the more efficient it is, but we ain’t stringing in copper any more are we…lol. Gotta find a happy medium….cost vs efficiency. Like 4 phase would be even more efficient than 3ph, but you gotta draw the line somewhere.
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Re: All electric crap
[Re: Foxpaw]
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Any guesses how far electricity can be sent thru high voltage wire without losing a lot of it. I read 300+ miles ? Transmission lines are set up to be very efficient. As mentioned above, generation is the bottle neck, then transformer manufacturing capacity. There are multiple manufacturers building new factories to increase transformer capacity. Hydro has environmental impact but if very effective and clean and provides recreational opportunities. Wind is almost dead and without government money is not viable. Solar has potential, but long term solution it is not due to lifespan and disposal of the panels. Nuclear is the future with Google/META/Amazon looking at small nukes just to power their data centers. There is absolutely no way we can meet the mandated standards of EV and electric appliances with our current grid. Sounds great when some politicians are trying to save the planet, but reality we aren’t even close. Some actions are being taken to strengthen the grid but that is still 40-50 years away at the earliest and would have to increase 10 fold of what is happening today.
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Re: All electric crap
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Nuclear power plants tooled for producing hydrogen would be nice. I think when hydrogen is used to produce energy it's emissions are only water and heat. Is Hydrogen a byproduct of nuclear energy production? That would be efficient as heck to harvest that hydrogen and turn it into more power. Rumor has it a couple of forklift companies are working on hydrogen-powered equipment. I think that’s a little crazy, but seems to be a very clean and abundant energy source.
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Re: All electric crap
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The only problem I have with wind and solar is it should be built in the big cities that use the power A local municipal building installed solar panels over top of their parking lot. Keeps the cars in the shade too. They’ll recoup their expenses as long as there’s no problems with their system.
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Re: All electric crap
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I read an article about how a lot of the charging stations are being ripped off for the plugs to your car. I'd bet somebody is using them to adapt your home electric to charge at home.
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Re: All electric crap
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Bet the meth heads were lining up with their hack saws to harvest them.
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Re: All electric crap
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Any guesses how far electricity can be sent thru high voltage wire without losing a lot of it. I read 300+ miles ? If you're sending DC current, it doesn't go far. one of the reasons why AC(Westinghouse and Tesla) prevailed over Edison's DC. Plus the little thing about DC burning houses down every other week..
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Re: All electric crap
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Nuclear power plants tooled for producing hydrogen would be nice. I think when hydrogen is used to produce energy it's emissions are only water and heat. Is Hydrogen a byproduct of nuclear energy production? That would be efficient as heck to harvest that hydrogen and turn it into more power. Rumor has it a couple of forklift companies are working on hydrogen-powered equipment. I think that’s a little crazy, but seems to be a very clean and abundant energy source. You would have to sacrifice some electricity to produce hydrogen. They use electrolysis to split water for hydrogen.
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