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Re: My elderberry project [Re: KeithC] #7657835
08/25/22 01:18 PM
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Wow! Thats cool!
Originally Posted by KeithC
For the last few years, I have been cutting off pieces of elderberry, from 1 and 2 year old wood growth, with 3 leaf nodes. I've been cutting them when the leaves are fairly well budded to fully open, but small. I make the lowest cut at an around 45 degree angle and the top cut flat. I push the cuttings into soil with the middle node just slightly below the surface. The cuttings put out shoots from both the highest node and the one just below the dirt. No rooting hormone is needed. Usually 100% of the cuttings will root. Besides keeping the dirt fairly moist, they receive no other care.

This year, I stuck 2, 2 leaf node cuttings in with the top node just barely above the ground. They out performed in growth the few 3 node cuttings I planted this year, by a lot. The difference could have been the soil I put them in, which had a lot of rabbit manure and coffee grounds, but next year I am going to try planting a lot of 2 leaf node cuttings.

The cuttings will flower and fruit, after flowering, their first year, if you don't remove the flowers. They grow better if you remove the flowers.

My main bush showed up by a down spout in 2012 or 2013. I recognized it as elderberry and decided to leave it. I ended up mowing it once and one of the dogs or one of us broke it off, at least twice, but it kept growing back. It's now roughly 14' by 16'. It gets around 60 pounds of fruited heads every year. I have sent out a few hundred clones of it and sold and given away a couple hundred rooted cuttings of it. It appears to be a naturally superior variety to the rest of the wild elderberry bushes in my area.

Beaverpeeler, Carl, donated cuttings from her to the National Germplasm Depository in Corvalis, Oregon, where they now grow her. I got to name my variety at the depository. i named my elderberry bush Remembrance after the elderberry dryad in the Hans Christian Anderson story, "The Little Elder Mother".

Keith



Wow, that's cool!

Do you figure I will fair as well with just regular wild cuttings or should I just try to order some?

Re: My elderberry project [Re: Trapset] #7657846
08/25/22 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Trapset
Do you figure I will fair as well with just regular wild cuttings or should I just try to order some?


The wild cuttings will very likely root just as easily. They may or may not be as productive as some of the named varieties. I would take cuttings from the most productive bushes you find.

If you want some cuttings from Remembrance, I'll give you some for free in the Spring, if you just pay the shipping. A fair number of guys on Trapperman are growing cuttings from her now.

Keith

Re: My elderberry project [Re: beaverpeeler] #7657854
08/25/22 01:51 PM
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I'll take you up on that Keith! I remember my Grandma always making Elderberry jelly and wine. I make Mulberry jelly, jam and syrup now but would love to bring back her old tradition!

Re: My elderberry project [Re: beaverpeeler] #8154733
06/13/24 10:23 PM
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Keith, if you happen to look at this old thread again I'm currently at the River Hills Elderberry Conference in Columbia, Mo. Very interesting day of presentations on black elderberries. There is a gal doing some elderberry breeding work with a group called the "Savanna Institute" and she has heard of your cultivar "Remembrance" and would like to add it to her collection for potential breeding stock. Any chance you could help her out with a plant or two?

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Re: My elderberry project [Re: beaverpeeler] #8154751
06/13/24 11:02 PM
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Carl, please give the woman with the Savanna Institute my contact information.

I wish I could get off the farm long enough to go the conference.

I believe Remembrance is being grown in 37 states now. I shipped out a great many cuttings and sold a lot of rooted clones at Quailcon last year, to people from all over the US. I have not heard back from many people, but she seems to do particularly well in Northern states like Wisconsin and Minnesota. They get much quicker growth there than here where Remembrance originated.

I sent 6 rooted cuttings of Remembrance to Dan Hartmann the owner of Hartmann's Plant Company a few weeks ago. If it tests well, he may offer virus free clones in the future, with my name as the discoverer.

I know you're not fond of mulberry, thinking that it has the sugar, but lacks the interesting flavonoids. I have around 400 mulberry trees on my farm. I limped around and tried most of them this year, that were bearing. I have found 4 trees I really like the flavor of, with one clear winner of the 4. If you want, I'll send you some mulberry cuttings, that I think you may be pleasantly surprised by the flavor of. Of course location, soil type and rainfall can cause variation in the same tree's produce.

I plan on sampling and seeing how much fruit the local and not so local, wild elderberry bushes grow this year. There's some short, around 4' high, very prolific looking, elderberry bushes, I am keeping an eye on.

I hope you have fun, learn and make some great contacts at the conference.

Keith

Re: My elderberry project [Re: beaverpeeler] #8154764
06/13/24 11:59 PM
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Keith, if you don't mind PM me again your contact info and I'll give that to her tomorrow.

BTW, I am having a blast. Learning lots of stuff about elderberries from the experts and other growers. One particularly interesting presentation was done on a double blind study showing drinking three table spoons of elderberry juice per day was tamping down inflammation of folks suffering from mild cognitive decline. Inflammation is thought to be a root cause of mental decline.


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Re: My elderberry project [Re: beaverpeeler] #8154766
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I am glad you are having a great time.

I sent you a PM.

Keith

Re: My elderberry project [Re: beaverpeeler] #8448884
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Carl, is there a fairly cheap destemmer for elderberry you would recommend?

I picked 21 gallons of heads over the last 3 days. I've been stripping them by hand. It's a lot of work. Next year, I want to have a faster way to do it.

I've just been getting heads off of Remembrance. If I can find an efficient way to strip the heads and a market, I would like to plant a lot of clones of her below my grapes in a small hayfield I no longer need hay from.

Keith

Re: My elderberry project [Re: beaverpeeler] #8448980
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Could you post that recipe for us. I'm just used to making a standard type pie. Thanks.

Re: My elderberry project [Re: beaverpeeler] #8449173
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They're just starting to ripen here. The bushes on the drier ground have fewer and smaller berries this year (a result of the hot, dry weather). Guessing they're going to be a dud... need to look in the lower, wetter places

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Keith, you should check out River Hills elderberries. They have a website. He sells a small handheld stainless steel de-stemmer that sells for about $500. One of the farmers that I met at the conference two years ago has one and processes an acre's worth every year with it.

It's not as nice as the $10,000 one but gets the job done.

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Re: My elderberry project [Re: Rat_Pack] #8449236
08/05/25 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rat_Pack
They're just starting to ripen here. The bushes on the drier ground have fewer and smaller berries this year (a result of the hot, dry weather). Guessing they're going to be a dud... need to look in the lower, wetter places

That is what I notice. Black elderberries need a lot of water to be juicy.


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Re: My elderberry project [Re: beaverpeeler] #8449241
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If anybody needs elderberry plants I know Keith has some and I also have available at this time the following cultivars:

Wyldewood, Bob Gordon, York, Ranch, Pocahontas, Marge, and Haschberg. Have Ozark coming in October. $10 per plant plus shipping

Marge and Haschberg are European black elders, the rest are all North American black elderberries.

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Re: My elderberry project [Re: beaverpeeler] #8449849
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And here I was thinking I was some sort of a champion with my little bottle of rooting hormone and propagating everything I see.
Once again Carl puts me to shame!
I have two different types of blueberry cuttings (hardwood) that are still green from last winter. Like roses, the different types seem to be easier to propagate. Also tried my hand at Figs (got all 6 to take).
The fist step is admitting that I have a problem. I must have 50 different plants on my back patio (on a drip line) that I have rooted up that have no place to go and yet reading this I want to go get some elderberry!

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Carl has high tech elderberry clones. He has them rendered virus free, by heat, in a lab and then started as tiny cell cultures.

This year, I just stuck around 1800, 2 or 3 leaf node cuttings in wet dirt. Elderberry doesn't need any Auxin or other rooting hormone to root well. I get very close to 100% success rate with elderberry cuttings.

Carl, thanks for the information on the destemmer.

Keith

Re: My elderberry project [Re: upstateNY] #8449862
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
Originally Posted by KeithC
I've been picking elderberries for about 2 weeks here.

Keith

Ours aren't quite ripe yet.Another week or two.Cant wait for my wifes elderberry cream cheese pie.

That sounds delicious. Would she share the recipe?


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Re: My elderberry project [Re: Minz] #8449986
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Originally Posted by Minz
And here I was thinking I was some sort of a champion with my little bottle of rooting hormone and propagating everything I see.
Once again Carl puts me to shame!
I have two different types of blueberry cuttings (hardwood) that are still green from last winter. Like roses, the different types seem to be easier to propagate. Also tried my hand at Figs (got all 6 to take).
The fist step is admitting that I have a problem. I must have 50 different plants on my back patio (on a drip line) that I have rooted up that have no place to go and yet reading this I want to go get some elderberry!

Minz, I would recommend softwood cuttings for blues. Much easier.

Don't put yourself down...sounds like you got it going with your rooting hormones!


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