Do guns kill people or the person using the gun?

Weed, meth, booze, Tylenol, candy, all the same.

People make choices and the outcome is the result of the person’s choice(s).

People don't get physically addicted to guns.

I would say the least contributing member of society is the drug addict they are a drain on every resource and person they come in contact with while addicted. If the truth would set them free they would continue to lie out of habit it’s just the way it is. Never seen or heard anyone ever say anything positive about an addict that was real or that lasted very long.

A local addict just passed early on I knew her as a kid before she went over to the dark side then I had to deal with her professionally for many years. Drugs and only drugs was the only priority in her life, zero empathy for the rest of the world while demanding everything she wanted be given to her. Every word out of her was a manipulative action to get what she wanted. She would destroy your life for not giving her a second cigarette when the deal was only one and that was a high risk ordeal giving the one smoke.

I quit doing part time transports because I would not take her to a doctor appointment by myself that they screwed up on. I can cover my time on a transport by checking in every 15 minutes and the time traveled to do the next place but a Dr. appointment you can’t do it it’s a huge risk. For what they paid me it’s not worth the hassle playing the reindeer games. Get me a matron or have a female take her but I’m not going alone with her.

I’m not saying people cannot overcome addictions but I do not deal with those folks much if they got it together in life unless in some random run in. I don’t think more drugs are a good thing. The people that are shouting freedom don’t shout much about responsibility and expect you to be responsible for their bad choices if things go south that becomes their right then.

I don’t know about that you have never been to a gun shop with me I start to twitch a bit.

If they were withdrawal symptoms from a physical addiction, wouldn't you twitch after leaving the gun shop and not from entering?

Where has anyone in this entire thread said that anybody but the drug addict should be responsible for the drug addicts bad choices?

All I've seen out of the pro-legalization side is a desire to also end the welfare state.

Of course, that includes ending medicare and disability. All the folks, young and old, who have health problems from a lifetime of smoking, drinking, or poor eating habits should also be responsible for themselves and not rely on the public dole.

Just read where some age groups have seen a 90% reduction in alcohol use.
Maybe they enjoy no hangovers ?
Haven't looked into it.
But it did say mostly the younger crowd.
I do have a card and I use when needed.
Alcohol doesn't fit well beyond the occasional cold beers.
When offered.

So you end up in the hospital by your choice who’s paying for that bad choice it’s not rocket science is it are you selling your house to make it right?

Me personally? I have insurance.

In the case of the drug addict (or the old guy who are garbage their whole life)? If they have insurance, good for them. Their insurance company can decide whether to pay for it. That a contractual relationship between those two parties. If they don't have insurance? Too bad, should have made better life choices.

So if legalized will insurance companies be expected to pay for overdose and reaction issues? Is that now a healthcare issue it goes on and on.

You have dangerous drug insurance that must be comforting.

Only if they choose to. Ending the welfare state, as I see it, includes ending forcing insurance companies to cover things (Obamacare nonsense).

If an insurance company wants to sell a plan that covers drug problems, then that's their business. If not, then that's also their business. (Of course, if a person purchases insurance that covers drug problems, then the insurance company needs to honor their contract).

So......if a drug addict ends up in the hospital but has no insurance........how does the hospital get reimbursed ?

Same situation with illegal aliens.

Those unpaid costs affect all of society in higher costs for hospital services........except to the freeloader.

IMO the hospital has a valid expectation of getting paid............and not by the tax payer

Ending the welfare state would mean that they get kicked to the curb. Can't pay? Get out.

The folks that don't like that plan are free to donate to the medical charity of their choosing.

I'm ok with that !!

Leaving addicts to die on the streets would be a bit of an eyesore, I would think, and not something I would want children to see on a regular basis.

Even if his insurance would cover it who’s paying the lions share of that hospital bill and it impacts more than just him but I don’t think that little light ever going to shine. If they don’t cover it then will it be more rights or responsibility we know the answer.

"Leaving addicts to die on the streets would be a bit of an eyesore, I would think, and not something I would want children to see on a regular basis."

Parents used to take their kids to public hangings, kids in third world cesspools see horrible stuff every day, might be a lesson in there somewhere...

Didn't read all the pages so may be repeating others it does seem strange to legalize a product with no viable test for using it So is there a impaired test for using the ton of legal prescriptions handed out daily or is the warning label enough Whern i asked law enforcement about state legal fed illegal I was told if an accident or pullover occurs and the test is positive the issue gets handed over to the feds
Even though the potshops only take cash the state makes a bundle on taxes at notime was the pot tobacco and booze shops shut down or out of supply during covid
As always your experience and results may vary