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Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454172
08/14/25 01:01 PM
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WI has been dumping money hand over fist for over 15 years into marten reintroduction. And we still don't have any a viable marten population.


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Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454173
08/14/25 01:02 PM
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With hawks, owls, feral cats and coyotes, you really think you can rebuild small game numbers? ain't gonna happen.

Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454188
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Raptors also prey on marten so there is another negative to reintroduction.


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Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454258
08/14/25 03:58 PM
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I am neutral on that subject. To increase the small game they need more timber harvesting scattered across the whole state. Stands of big timber do not hold much food for the small critters out there.....jk


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Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454318
08/14/25 06:01 PM
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Hunters freaking out about martens eating thier turkey are hilarious. I don't think they know what a marten is. The way the rodent population is right a marten could fill up fast. There's way more that we don't control than we like to think. Nature does what she does mostly.


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Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: PAskinner] #8454327
08/14/25 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
Hunters freaking out about martens eating thier turkey are hilarious. I don't think they know what a marten is. The way the rodent population is right a marten could fill up fast. There's way more that we don't control than we like to think. Nature does what she does mostly.



I think it’s kinda funny too!!!

“THEIR Turkeys”

I was always told the biggest threat to any species is lack of habitat….but maybe I’m wrong. I don’t have the education nor experience many of you have.

Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454344
08/14/25 06:42 PM
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Our forefathers had the commonsense to know that if you wanted a thriving game population you killed the predators that competed with you for that harvest.

When I was a kid it was common to kill on sight any owl, hawk, fox or feral cat you happened to see while out hunting. Back then small game populations thrived. Now, not only do we protect some of those species but we actually re-introduce predators.

The loss of habitat plays a role. Between that and the increase in predators our small game populations are at an all-time low.

I question some of these guys saying there are tons of rabbits about. Yeah, I see them too on golf courses and in peoples yards during the spring and summer birthing seasons. I've been hunting them for fifty years. Come fall they are all but non-existent. Didn't use to be that way. Fifteen to twenty rabbits flushed a day was commonplace. And pheasants...don't get me started.

The PGC should be trying to figure out what we can do about the loss of habitat and the general decline in small game population rather than reintroducing yet another predator.


Eh...wot?

Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454346
08/14/25 06:45 PM
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Spring turkey hunting is one of my favorite things to do. Why on earth would anybody think it's a good idea to reintroduce a predator (fisher) that preys on them. Even if you don't hunt them, how is that a benefit to anyone?


Eh...wot?

Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454358
08/14/25 07:16 PM
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I certainly don’t know. If, at one time, they were synonymous with Pennsylvania it would be cool to see them back. But I suppose it’s not possible to go back in time and have things the way they once were. If that were the case, we would be using slings and stones to attempt fair chase at game.
We wouldn’t be the predators we are today.

Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454364
08/14/25 07:30 PM
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I vote no....... Enough good reasons already stated. With the introduction of the this species comes new regulations and restrictions. Hawks and Owls have had a significant impact on small mammals and game birds. I have seen this occurance to continue to grow thru my lifetime.

That didn't turn out very well. My experience mirrors Lugnuts to a T.


Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454366
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If you want more turkeys kill coon possums skunks.


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Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454370
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They are native to PA.

But is "being cool to see them back" worth the boatloads of money the PGC has spent in the last several years doing feasibility studies, habitat suitability studies, forming reintroduction plans and plan synthesis, producing brochures and creating talking pints to sway public opinion in their favor worth the cool factor? Plus the continued cost to purchase and relocate them, to create and enforce new regulations?

Again, who benefits from this? A handful of folks that might see them in the wild? I doubt trappers will ever benefit. Fishers were reintroduced to PA thirty-plus years ago Today we can trap a whopping one per year and it takes a $20.00 permit to do it. And they are not open statewide.


Eh...wot?

Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: danny clifton] #8454371
08/14/25 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If you want more turkeys kill coon possums skunks.

Danny I cleanup the nest raider's in a rather large area and I can assure you it's the fisher's that are killing the turkey
Turkey's roost in trees, fisher's can climb trees and we're only allowed 1 a season you do the math

Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: danny clifton] #8454373
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If you want more turkeys kill coon possums skunks.


Very true Danny.

The problem is that with the fur market in the tank for quite a few years now, very few are doing that anymore.


Eh...wot?

Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: wetdog] #8454374
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Originally Posted by wetdog
Originally Posted by danny clifton
If you want more turkeys kill coon possums skunks.

Danny I cleanup the nest raider's in a rather large area and I can assure you it's the fisher's that are killing the turkey
Turkey's roost in trees, fisher's can climb trees and we're only allowed 1 a season you do the math


But those other critters are nest raiders.


Eh...wot?

Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454375
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I never was about the monetary value of furbearers…

And I highly doubt if they were available for the taking that I would even buy a tag, as I said; little experience.

Twenty dollars for a fisher permit?! I thought they were six dollars??

Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454378
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Smasho, marten are easy to catch when your trap is in front of them.


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Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454380
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Originally Posted by elsmasho82
I never was about the monetary value of furbearers…

And I highly doubt if they were available for the taking that I would even buy a tag, as I said; little experience.

Twenty dollars for a fisher permit?! I thought they were six dollars??



You are right, $6.90. I got my costs mixed up.


Eh...wot?

Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: danny clifton] #8454381
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Smasho, marten are easy to catch when your trap is in front of them.



Looks like I won’t have the opportunity! I heard they are not trap savvy..
A cool video by Mike Lapinski learned me about them. Sometimes I watch it just to relax

Re: PA guys; thoughts on Marten re introduction [Re: elsmasho82] #8454435
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I'v been to PA a couple of times. I don't recall ever seeing anything that even in the remotest way that looked anything like marten habitat.


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