Isn't trying to position yourself on the high ground the whole strategy of a debate??? I assume You wouldn't answer the question because you feel like if you did you couldn't justifiably defend your position anymore.

Your confusing true high ground with false narratives....The truth can be vigorously defended, and I've done that here before.

Did you have family in this war?

No picking corn so I have free time between loads

Only 20% to 25% of CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS owned slaves.

So, what were the other 75% to 80% fighting for?

Somehow, I think I he folks that feel like slavery wasn't a big deal, or should have been handled differently, or can't say outright that slavery was wrong, would feel differently if I get were the slaves and their children were being auctioned off.

In 1850, 42.3% of free blacks owned slaves.

Keith

Exactly. So you should be able to answer truthfully and then if I'm incorrect with where I go with it u should be able to debate my position.

Asking if u believe slavery is wrong is in no way a false narrative and if it was by your own words it could be shoot down with truth.

I dont know if I had any relatives in the civil war

I know exactly where your coming from, everyone else does too....I said I had absolutely no interest in owning slaves, and that my family never owned slaves.

That should have told you what you needed to know....Now on the other hand you also need to know what really happened so you can form intelligent questions.

One possibility was that a large population of them were economically dependent of the slave system even if they themselves didn't own them.

My ancestors were slaves to England....Doesn't change a thing in my view about the War between the States.

I think if you research a bit you won't find that to be particularly true. Slave labor depressed wages and job availability for those who weren't among the upper class, much as illegal immigration does today.

… my family fought for the CSA and some of them did own slaves. The slaves looked healthy and happy in the pictures….. in much better shape than a lot of the crackheads I see wandering around today lol

Your do realize what "really" happened in history is always debatable right. As far as intellect you are the one not answering questions and taking person shots by trying to play off my questions as stupid. Thats usually an avoidance off the real topic when one is run low of counter points

My family history resembles this remark....^^^^^

I'm in no way promoting slavery (it was/is bad), but the war of northern aggression was just that...northern aggression. And 75% to 80% of the southern population took up arms for that very reason.

Lol Yes'sir that's funny , Oh I think I could get right up into you with the facts, but this is Pauls house, and I would really like to stay around awhile....Carry on soldier.

Why would facts cause you to get a ban from Paul hes all been a pretty fair guy from my standpoint

Never known Paul to have a problem with a fair open friendly debate

That's true Swamp Wolf, the raping alone cost a lot of Union soldiers lives.

Here's the debate. The North stance on why they were fighting was to end slavery. The south"s argument had to be on states individual rights largely because pro slavery is a hard position defend. Similar to the abortion debate. One side is about the right of the unborn child. The pro abortion side use to debate whether the unborn child was a life the had human rights but that position largely has been indefensible for they have since moved to the mother's right of choice.

Could the debate be taken down other rabbit holes as to whether those were the main reasons for the war yes but those are the colors both sides flew.

Asking me if slavery was okay is a premeditated setup, because it suggests the war was about slavery, that's not even a fair debate position from the start because the North was guilty as well.

I'm not playing your game....My views on slavery have nothing to do with it.

Pay attention to the people in the south that fought with no connection to slavery....You think they really fought to defend something they had nothing to do with?....Nope, they fought because their wives and daughters got assaulted, barns burned, livestock killed or stolen, etc.

Sorry to disabuse you of your ideas, these things get ugly.

Kind of like we're going to have a nice clean divorce, it seldom happens, and I'm not fighting in someone else's house.