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Who to believe? #8480668
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Considering Charlie Kirk's assassination.

The far left did it.

The far right did it.

A trans person acted as lone wolf.

Israel did it.

It is amazing how many theories and conspiracies come out of this tragedy. All I know is when the truth is not exposed, no matter what it is, distrust of the government grows and disunity of the country gets worse.

All I want is the truth. Can the media give the truth anymore? Do they want the truth anymore? A truthful media would go a long way towards healing this nation.


How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Re: Who to believe? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8480671
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I would look to what those closest to Charlie Kirk are saying, not those claiming to be or was in the past. Those closest were his friends and those not close aren't close for a reason.


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Re: Who to believe? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8480673
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Usually the simplest explaination is the correct one. A looney, radicalized tranny did it.


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Re: Who to believe? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8480676
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Re: Who to believe? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8480679
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That's what the anonymity Of the inter-web and a world full of dipwads gets you!


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Re: Who to believe? [Re: waggler] #8480685
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Originally Posted by waggler
Usually the simplest explaination is the correct one. A looney, radicalized tranny did it.


Yup, Occam's razor.


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Re: Who to believe? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8480691
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I have not seen anything convincing other than a LGBT nut shot him. Looking I did see a clip that showed the exit blood I had not seen yet. backing up shot from the front.

What I do know is A great man was murdered for speaking his views and the would is worse off because of his loss.

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Charlie was killed because he effectively spread the gospel message on the public square. Killed by a man who struggled with his own sin and thought he could end that struggle by killing the man that spread the biblical truth.

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Tlere are some strange parts to the story.

Re: Who to believe? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8480838
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Re: Who to believe? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8480851
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All I want is the truth. Can the media give the truth anymore? Do they want the truth anymore? A truthful media would go a long way towards healing this nation.[/quote]

The media has nothing to gain with the truth, it’s all about keeping the base, getting the clicks which is what pays the bills. They aren’t looking to change minds. Confirmation bias is king, tell the people what they want to hear. It’s the same whether it’s CNN, MSNBC, or FOX.


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Re: Who to believe? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8480916
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I think there are similarities between the Trump shooter and the Kirk shooter. Could the 2 be more than just a couple young men who got lucky, so to speak?

Re: Who to believe? [Re: martentrapper] #8480959
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Originally Posted by martentrapper
I think there are similarities between the Trump shooter and the Kirk shooter. Could the 2 be more than just a couple young men who got lucky, so to speak?


Certainly possible, but my gut says no. These are the outcasts of society that are doing these things. These people make up a very small percentage of society. They are fed a 24/7 diatribe by not just the social media outlets they haunt, but also by mainstream media, and the very schools/colleges that are supposed to be expanding their minds, not closing them off. Take someone like the Kirk shooter... a tranny. Not only does the conservative side not like him, but the truth is, neither does most of the liberal side. He feels no one likes him... but is unwilling to take the necessary steps to change. He is just one example... there are others who feel ostracized by society, for various reasons... many being sexual reasons, but not only those reasons.

My theory is one of a few things will happen to people like that.

They will eventually grow out of their depravities and become productive members of society.

They will never escape their depravities, but survive and become leaders of depraved political movements.

They will kill themselves.

They will commit non-noteworthy (on a national level) but serious offenses... sexual offenses (rape, pedophilia, etc.), murder, aggravated assaults... and end up in prison.

They will shoot up schools/churches/concerts/etc. to get their 15 minutes of fame.

They will become political assassins.


That person is who I think both the Kirk shooter and Trump shooter was.

Edit: to add to this...in the olden days... people like this were usually removed from society and placed in mental care facilities.... often by family, sometimes by the state. Those facilities mostly no longer exist. These people often end up dropping out of school or college (as the Kirk shooter did) because they don't fit in, which further polarizes them from society. Thus, they can often only find minimum wage jobs... which oftentimes are people-facing positions, which they are also unsuited for.... so they either get fired, quit, or hate their job. Then, sometimes, their families also are forced to walk away from them, due to being unable to help them, and unable to find a way to commit them to a facility for the safety of themselves and others. So.... they find themselves completely cut off from normal people, surrounded instead only by people as depraved as they are.

Our country doesn't have a gun problem, a drug problem, a video game program.... it has a mental health crisis that is getting progressively worse because no one is willing to address the issue for fear of offending someone.

Just my thoughts on the matter.....

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Re: Who to believe? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8480965
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I see the biggest cause of what happened to Charlie Kirk the same as what we are seeing as resistance against ICE and the attempts to bring Law and Order to our largest cities. You can spread that kind of hate propaganda without someone acting on it. We need to lead with the kindness and truth Charlie Kirk did. People said he was racist because of comments he made. But they didn't listen to him, they only her carved out sound bites. He believed that all men are children of God and are all capable of exceptionalism. Not lowering standards because someone's race or where they came from.

That is the most racist thing you can do is to tell someone they can get by with a lower standard because that's telling them you don't think they are capable as the same level of greatness. Their theory has been proven wrong by history by some of the greatest people of our time. From George Washington Carver to Ben Carson.

My own state's delegation with their Nazi talk (everyone who they disagree with are a threat to democracy, fascist, etc.) and bernie's trip around the country, the whole "no kings" crap. We live in a Constitutional Republic and thank God we do. Communist countries start as socialist democracies with people voting for what's going to serve them based on empty promises. If we were in a straight democracy and the majority of your neighbors voted to buy your house for $1 then you would have to sell it. Our Constitution guarantees certain rights which are constantly under attack.

And no I did not vote for any of the people from my state in Congress.


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Re: Who to believe? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8480971
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Right on Greg P.

Re: Who to believe? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8480988
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I think the last 2 posts nail it. You have mentally ill young ppl and instead of treating them so they are not a danger to themselves and others, we do everything position to reinforce their mixed up delusions.

But then we take it a step or 2 past that and they snap. We let them expose their problematic minds to 27/7 news and social media telling them that anyone who disagrees with them is worse than Adolf Hitler.

The results should no longer surprise anyone..


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Re: Who to believe? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8481050
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We aint gonna get the Paul Harvey version. Still saying a human neck stopped a 30-06 bullet, Never convince me of that. Maybe if he had a box of those old accelerator bullets. The pictures I saw looked like old WWII ammo on a stripper clip.


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Originally Posted by J Staton
Charlie was killed because he effectively spread the gospel message on the public square. Killed by a man who struggled with his own sin and thought he could end that struggle by killing the man that spread the biblical truth.



This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Charlie was killed by the dark forces that do indeed exist in the spiritual realm.
There is a battle raging that we cannot see.
Charlie was telling us that…
And those agents are the ones who silenced him.
Right, left, Israel? That was just the meat suit…


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Sounds like we need a seance then or a ouja board


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I think I'll just go with he was killed by a nutcase with a gun. Unfortunately, it happens to people from all walks of life.

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