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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: rvsask] #8509324
11/23/25 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Originally Posted by bfflobo
Capitalism would correct things and build. Socialism will continue to destroy.


Isn’t Tyson Foods an example of a capitalist company within in a capitalist system?

I’m not saying socialism is answer here , it’s not. But,…………. explain how capitalism corrects this.

Some could argue that capitalism has allowed the industry to become dominated by giant corporations.

Again, I’m not saying socialism is the answer but…….. explain how capitalism fixes this.



We dont have true capitalism. The government picks winners and looser through controls permits and regulations. Most dont make since but put barriers to enter for the small guys. The big guys and spread those cost out, buy exemptions through lobbying and campaign donations ect.

Read everything I want to do is ILLIEGAL for a well written and funny but serious examples.

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8509326
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There’s actually different types of capitalism

Governments use immigration to artificially boost gdp numbers,,,with the keynesian system we currently operate under

Big government- socialism - government knows best,,,etc

It’s the ol’ Keynesian vs Austrian debate

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8509369
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The human body was meant to perform hard physical labor. The human mind benefits from hard labor also. Society today does not require hard labor. Hence, we have become a very sick society mentally and physically. Just a quick history of the Lexington beef plant. It was opened 35 years ago in a former New Holland farm machinery factory. I worked there when they opened up as a beef slaughter. It was state of the art. Last spring a new beef slaughter opened in North Platte Nebraska. It is doing well with 850 employees. It is a cooperative owned by beef producers. They are producing for Walmart. Interesting. A new beef plant is proposed for Glenwood Iowa. That would be a cooperative of producers also.

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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8509377
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Anyone is free to go out and convince investors to lend them money, and then use that money to build their own cattle processing plant in Lexington. That's how capitalism fixes this.

In fact, nothing was stopping anyone from doing that before this place decided to shut down. If someone was able to figure out a cheaper way of processing cattle, they were free to open a better cattle processing plant in Lexington and take all the cattle processing business away from this place. (This is where govt regulations get in the way....certain govt regulations probably get in the way of innovating more efficient/cheaper methods).

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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Anyone is free to go out and convince investors to lend them money, and then use that money to build their own cattle processing plant in Lexington. That's how capitalism fixes this.

In fact, nothing was stopping anyone from doing that before this place decided to shut down. If someone was able to figure out a cheaper way of processing cattle, they were free to open a better cattle processing plant in Lexington and take all the cattle processing business away from this place. (This is where govt regulations get in the way....certain govt regulations probably get in the way of innovating more efficient/cheaper methods).

They're also paying off lawsuits for price fixing and under investigation for price manipulation. Competition is stifled by regulations, this isn't "how capitalism works"


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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: loosegoose] #8509384
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Anyone is free to go out and convince investors to lend them money, and then use that money to build their own cattle processing plant in Lexington. That's how capitalism fixes this.

In fact, nothing was stopping anyone from doing that before this place decided to shut down. If someone was able to figure out a cheaper way of processing cattle, they were free to open a better cattle processing plant in Lexington and take all the cattle processing business away from this place. (This is where govt regulations get in the way....certain govt regulations probably get in the way of innovating more efficient/cheaper methods).

I wonder what the cost of the kill process is when you must appease animal rights groups vs. a farm type dispatch?

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8509391
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What happened to the migrant workers program? I remember they showed up in spring stayed until harvest then back to Mexico and other countries. Had work visas and not used a political puppet’s. Dems wanted more here to sway the census for congressional seating. They knew Americans would stop the voting. Plus staff new programs so politicians could skim if them

Corporate America has become so skewed in reporting profits and losses it should be illegal. Bottom lines manipulation. Company buying companies for 5 times worth. Electronic monies that don’t and never will exists.

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Originally Posted by J Staton
Originally Posted by loosegoose
Anyone is free to go out and convince investors to lend them money, and then use that money to build their own cattle processing plant in Lexington. That's how capitalism fixes this.

In fact, nothing was stopping anyone from doing that before this place decided to shut down. If someone was able to figure out a cheaper way of processing cattle, they were free to open a better cattle processing plant in Lexington and take all the cattle processing business away from this place. (This is where govt regulations get in the way....certain govt regulations probably get in the way of innovating more efficient/cheaper methods).

I wonder what the cost of the kill process is when you must appease animal rights groups vs. a farm type dispatch?


At today’s ammo prices packing plant piston driven spike be cheaper than a bullet !

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8509409
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Coastal towns in NC used to have crab houses where local ladies picked crab meat. Several towns had multiple crab houses. Almost none exist today and the few that are still open are staffed by Hispanic migrants who live on site. They used to pick crabs on a piece rate, but the Department of Labor said the migrant employees were being underpaid. After the owners switched to an hourly rate, production slowed dramatically, yet locals still will not take those jobs at any rate. Same goes for heading shrimp.

Reminds me of the $20 hourly wage in California for fast food workers.

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: spjones] #8509422
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Originally Posted by spjones
There’s actually different types of capitalism

Governments use immigration to artificially boost gdp numbers,,,with the keynesian system we currently operate under

Big government- socialism - government knows best,,,etc

It’s the ol’ Keynesian vs Austrian debate





I believe you just distorted Austrian economics. I believe Austrians would oppose Government control of the free flow of labor.

Capitalism has not failed. In capitalism businesses fail and are replaced by better businesses.

"Any managed migration system will fail to achieve the optimal quantity or mix of immigrants because centrally planning the international labor market suffers from the same epistemic problems that make it impossible to optimally plan any market. In response to the artificial relative price structure, imposed by managed migration systems, the domestic stock of human and physical capital becomes distorted. Managed migration systems also set in motion the dynamics of intervention that lead to further interventions into the economy."

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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8509425
11/23/25 11:56 AM
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The “Austrian economic model” does oppose government control of the labour market

We don’t operate under the Austrian system,,,, nobody does

Unfortunately

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8509432
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Beaverpeeler never said he hired "illegals" he said he hired migrant workers. There is a difference.


IF IDIOTS GREW ON TREES THIS PLACE WOULD BE AN ORCHARD !

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: charles] #8509442
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Originally Posted by charles
Coastal towns in NC used to have crab houses where local ladies picked crab meat. Several towns had multiple crab houses. Almost none exist today and the few that are still open are staffed by Hispanic migrants who live on site. They used to pick crabs on a piece rate, but the Department of Labor said the migrant employees were being underpaid. After the owners switched to an hourly rate, production slowed dramatically, yet locals still will not take those jobs at any rate. Same goes for heading shrimp.

Reminds me of the $20 hourly wage in California for fast food workers.



I had a sis in law in Va that picked crabs 30 years ago on piece meal.. the more she picked the more she got paid and she was a machine at it..shes done it for 20 years by then. . They switched to hourly and she didnt make 25% what sh3 had been making.

Sge quit and went to work at a hotel.


IF IDIOTS GREW ON TREES THIS PLACE WOULD BE AN ORCHARD !

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: beaverpeeler] #8509479
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Food processing plants typically employ a lot of migrant workers. Once they're all run off who will do that work?

BP, I don't think the idea is to run off legal migrants. The employer just needs to pay the legal ones a little more money.

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: spjones] #8509523
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Originally Posted by spjones
The “Austrian economic model” does oppose government control of the labour market

We don’t operate under the Austrian system,,,, nobody does

Unfortunately


That is right. Free flow of labor doesn't work under a welfare state funded by fiat currency.


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Originally Posted by Savell
… here the Yankees and Californians come and take the higher paying jobs … while the mescins drive down wages on the rest

… I’m fortunate for the moment as I have a management position… but the writings on the wall when it comes to good ol boys like me

Ain't that the truth!

Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: Rat Masterson] #8509810
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
On one hand we don't have enough workers and the other AI will replace many jobs. Also we can't forget the robots that will be coming on line. If we deported every person here illegally and cut off all Gov. help for the able bodied I think we would find out what's what.

If we don’t have enough workers,then who needs the product?


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Re: Tyson closing beef plant [Re: bowhunter27295] #8510000
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Originally Posted by Dirt
"The Congressional Budget Office now projects the U.S. fertility rate will average just 1.6 births per woman over the next three decades, well short of the 2.1 needed for a stable population.

Experts warn that this demographic shift will contribute to an aging population, shrink the workforce, and strain public programs designed to support seniors."


This is why the government closes one eye when it comes to illegals doing the labor tasks. If we count on American population growth according to 1.6 births, not only will people not do the jobs, there will not be people to do the jobs. There will literally be a people shortage.

The pay will increase due to supply and demand of warm bodies. And eventually workers will have the ace.

And sadly this will increase product and service prices even more.

It's coming, just a matter of time.

There will have to be a major collapse and reset. Hope you're ready.


It is actually interesting that you put the pieces together . Workers have had the Ace for some time already. People should really research the economic consequences of population declines and worker shortages. It really makes government pay as you go programs and debt management impossible to do. Economic growth also becomes difficult since businesses can't find workers.


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Originally Posted by Savell
… here the Yankees and Californians come and take the higher paying jobs … while the mescins drive down wages on the rest

… I’m fortunate for the moment as I have a management position… but the writings on the wall when it comes to good ol boys like me


What is it that is stopping the good ol' boys from taking those higher paying jobs in the energy, aeronautics, agriculture etc. industries Texas is known for?

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[quote=Savell … out of all the mangers in the investment group that bought the company I work for portfolios…. I’m the only good ol boy in management… all the others are transplants [/quote]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your time in management is probably going to be short-lived.


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