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Antisemitism and Romans 9:11 #8525059
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I’m not smart enough to understand alot of things about the Bible.
We are taught that the Jewish people are still GODS chosen in some circles and others believe that GOD has completely turned away from them because of there roles in the crucification of Christ.

Yesterday, while watching some stuff about the massacre in Australia , there was a short video that popped up that
Had Greg Laurie (sp?) in it.
**** Greg was the guy who the movie “ JESUS REVELOUTION” portrayed ***

He explained that Christian’s still need to support their Jewish brothers…because GOD still has very important things in store for them According to Romans 9:11

It did make sense how he explained it.


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Re: Antisemitism and Romans 9:11 [Re: foxkidd44] #8525091
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Jesus commands to love your neighbor as yourself. St. Paul made clear in his writings that Jesus brought about a new covenant. But you don't need to uphold the Old Covenant with Israel (as Dispensationalists believe) to, you know, treat the Jewish people as human beings who have a right to defend themselves.

Re: Antisemitism and Romans 9:11 [Re: foxkidd44] #8525111
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OP,
The idea that God turned his back on the Jewish people because "they killed Christ" has no biblical basis. The bible makes it clear that we are all implicated in Jesus' death due to the fact that we are sinners against God.
BTW, on the day of Christ's cruxifiction both Jews and gentiles (Pilot) were responsible.


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Originally Posted by waggler
OP,
The idea that God turned his back on the Jewish people because "they killed Christ" has no boblical basis. The bible makes it clear that we are all implicated in Jesus' death due to the fact that we are sinners against God.
BTW, on the day of Christ's cruxifiction both Jews and gentiles (Pilot) were responsible.

Agree with everything you said.


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Re: Antisemitism and Romans 9:11 [Re: foxkidd44] #8525120
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We are all to blame in a way but none "took'' the life of Jesus, he "gave it" for mankind.

Re: Antisemitism and Romans 9:11 [Re: foxkidd44] #8525171
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I totally support the jews,, butt are those who now control the jewish government truly jews or are they like those controlling the Vatican?

Re: Antisemitism and Romans 9:11 [Re: foxkidd44] #8525197
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I have seen this issue debated by some serious, scholarly Christians. Here is the analysis that makes the most sense to me and (barring a cogent argument to the contrary) the one I believe to be correct.

The basic idea is that the Jewish people and the secular institution that is Israel are two very separate and distinct things. Within the people, there is a "faithful remnant" for whom God holds a special place. The secular state of Israel and those people within it who do not form part of the faithful remnant (whether they are ethnically/religiously Jewish or not) are no different than any unsaved Gentile and there is no special covenant between Him and them. Therefor, it is not necessary to support "Israel - the state" in order to support those Jews who form the faithful remnant.

I don't pretend to understand it on any deeper level than this, and I certainly am not qualified to determine who comprises the faithful remnant and who does not. It is not for me to judge.
But I don't see much biblical support for the argument that we should be consistently in support of a nation state that is "Israel" in name only.

...my 2 cents.


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Broadly speaking Christians belive in salvation though faith in Jesus, Jews reject Jesus and will be going to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). "Whoever denies Jesus is the Christ, he is the antichrist" 1st john 2:22.

Why would you call them brother when they reject God and are condemned to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) unless they come to Christ?

Re: Antisemitism and Romans 9:11 [Re: slydogx] #8525214
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Originally Posted by slydogx
I have seen this issue debated by some serious, scholarly Christians. Here is the analysis that makes the most sense to me and (barring a cogent argument to the contrary) the one I believe to be correct.

The basic idea is that the Jewish people and the secular institution that is Israel are two very separate and distinct things. Within the people, there is a "faithful remnant" for whom God holds a special place. The secular state of Israel and those people within it who do not form part of the faithful remnant (whether they are ethnically/religiously Jewish or not) are no different than any unsaved Gentile and there is no special covenant between Him and them. Therefor, it is not necessary to support "Israel - the state" in order to support those Jews who form the faithful remnant.

I don't pretend to understand it on any deeper level than this, and I certainly am not qualified to determine who comprises the faithful remnant and who does not. It is not for me to judge.
But I don't see much biblical support for the argument that we should be consistently in support of a nation state that is "Israel" in name only.

...my 2 cents.


That's more or less my take on it as well. God has His plans and promises to His people much as he does to His elect (now that's sure to open another can of worms) and it's not my place to question that. Nor are they my plans and I'm not privy to the details of how it will play out.

I do struggle with the obvious fufillment of prophecy in the restoration of the state of Israel and how that informs how current nations are to interact with that state though. One could say though that God has done this in the past multiple times, the exodus/lost tribes/babylonian captivity/second temple/etc, and repeatedly Israel fell to pagan practice and sin.

Just one take as a believer is that I'm instructed by scripture to bless his people but are we not to be a blessing to the nations? But blessing isn't a rubber stamp to wrongdoing.

Now that said, the actions of the palestinians are anathema to any civilzed society and imo are deserving of complete and total annihilation.


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I don't think any race is deserving of annihilation simply for existing.
And the state of Israel isn't the Israel that was God's people.
God's people are all true believers in Jesus. It has nothing to do with ethnicity.


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Not for existing but for actions committed and refusal to stop.


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Originally Posted by warrior
Not for existing but for actions committed and refusal to stop.

How about Israel's horrendous actions? Doesn't that apply to them killing kids deliberately?


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
How about Israel's horrendous actions? Doesn't that apply to them killing kids deliberately?

Show me where Israel has targeted kids.

I'll tell you what's a war crime:
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-18

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States which are Parties to a conflict shall provide all civilian hospitals with certificates showing that they are civilian hospitals and that the buildings which they occupy are not used for any purpose which would deprive these hospitals of protection in accordance with Article 19

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Originally Posted by PAskinner
Originally Posted by warrior
Not for existing but for actions committed and refusal to stop.

How about Israel's horrendous actions? Doesn't that apply to them killing kids deliberately?


Last I looked, their charter/constitution isn't sworn to the destruction of other people, nor do they raise their their children to be suicide bombers.

And Israel doesn't kill kids deliberately

You really might want to look into just what the palestinians really are.


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… Martin Luther must not have read Roman’s 9:11

… if he did … it was interpreted differently lol

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Originally Posted by Savell
… Martin Luther must not have read Roman’s 9:11

… if he did … it was interpreted differently lol

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He was once asked what his response would be if a Jew came to him for baptism. He said he'd do so,then drown him.


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… sounds like he didn’t consider them neighbors lol


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Originally Posted by Savell
… sounds like he didn’t consider them neighbors lol

or brothers

Re: Antisemitism and Romans 9:11 [Re: foxkidd44] #8525486
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Dang!!!!! I didn’t know that about ol Martin.
I guess he didn’t see Romans 9:11 as you stated savell.


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… you’ll learn a lot if you hang around me foxxkid… I’m a freakin treasure trove of knowledge lol

… and as far the verse goes … sometimes I think I wasn’t elected…as I was born skeptical it seems


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