Keep giving ground. Its been working well for us so far and the payoff is drawing nearer

Agreed, not healthy at all. And not biblical for a husband to fail to lead as it is for a wife to not submit to his leadership.

First, are you a christian husband loving his wife as Christ loves his church? If so she should having no issue with submitting as she would to Christ.

I would suggest that the both of you should submit for pastoral counseling.

If she is liberal you dont have to ask that question. We become like top 5 people we are around. She starts hanging out with more of them more often. And will become worse. If he bends and no longer has his boundaries compromise logic say things can work out. BUT subconsciously she will see him as weak and keep pushing harder and further. Sounds like the marriage is over it just depends on how long he wants to live miserable before pulling the plug.

Women dont respect what they see as weak men or men without goals. After 33 years she knows him and his boundaries. If he does not stick to his its over.

Liberal church and all that comes with it would be a deal breaker for me. They chose what part to follow when it suits them and twist meanings instead of studying historical content. My wife knows it. After 29 years she knows me well. She knows she is taken care of and everything I do has her and the kids best interest in mind. She trust that. That trust allows her to submit to my authority as head of the home.

Absolutely no way your going to get a submission woman out of a liberal church. Instead you will get unhappy and combative one and home full of conflict. There are much deeper problems going on beyond the liberal church. Lead her in the correct direction. Not as a tyrant but gental guidance. Reason and logic will not override feeling and emotions. Keep this in mind.

Just my .02. Im sorry your are dealing with this.

This is the answer. Good Christian folks can disagree on lots of things, but faith in Christ as savior is the only one that really matters. Many Christians have many different beliefs/interpretations, that they deeply and sincerely believe align with the Bible, that lead them to see things differently than other Christians, but as long as we've all got faith in Christ, that's the important part.

I consider Leftist thought a mental illness.

go with , puts you in a better place to see the hypocrisy they might be pushing or at least know what they are preaching.

I am righter than right and lefter then left which basically puts me out in a field by myself most of the time.

your gay , fine nice to meet you , were still not doing anything I wouldn't do with a strait friend.

got gay kids ,whatever

think the 2nd amendment covers private ownership of machineguns , bazooka , rockets and howitzers , yup me too.

a friend of mine is a pastor and 15 years ago we differed on guns , he was like I am ready to die rather than take life and I was like I am ready to fight to secure my family.
he told me not long ago , he had gone shooting and having a son changed his opinion a bunch , he is like I get it now , why you were so ready to fight the world to secure the family.

everything gets tried in is this good or bad for people and what are the motives. how is this a power grab , how will it be misused by any political party in the future and how do we pay for it.
want to preach a bunch of stuff but other people should pay for it , nope doesn't work.



on the flip side I am not Baptist but I have been going with a friend and his family to a fairly conservative Baptist church not sure he is really Baptist either but the pastor is a friend of his and goes deep in scripture and everything is deeply scripture based. I can't think of a time the pastor was more well researched and had put more time in , funny thing is the pastor has a day job and he is putting in more work that a lot of pastors who get paid by the church to work for the church full time.

my parents went to a couple such places more liberal bible churches after they left the Methodist church they were at for 40 years they got tired of being the only ones taking on responsibilities , my dad was the treasurer for 20 years , my mom we typing the bulletin every week and were at meetings every week they saw a pattern a lot of people who hopped churches every few years , just about the time you asked for something more than show up on Sunday and they were hopping to another church.
small churches run on volunteer labor

look at the content of their scripture and the actions of their deeds , if you find a legit weakness in their actions and words lining up , poke holes in it.

but you won't know if you aren't there

Keep giving ground. Its been working well for us so far and the payoff is drawing nearer

What does keep giving ground mean???

Hi 2zwudz, I understand your concern and appreciate the fact that you're seeking advice. Here's mine: cling to your wife, and, while you do, both of you do some serious work on what your religious faith means. Hold your politics loosely so that they don't interfere with the previous two tasks.

Since you came here seeking advice, I'll assume that you're willing to hear some (hopefully constructive) criticism. I think a large part of the problem that you are dealing with is that you (and your lovely wife) are allowing your political views to determine the meaning of your faith. Most of the respondents on this post (and many others) seem to be doing the same. It should work in the opposite direction. Having a true Christian faith means that your allegiance to Jesus is primary and ultimate and all other aspects of your life are determined by that. If you allow your political ideologies to have ultimate authority over what Christian faith looks like, over what your marriage looks like, then it would seem that politics are primary and ultimate in your life and perhaps your real religion is politics. Churches (and people) that define themselves as being politically conservative or politically liberal are giving too much authority to corrupt human systems and ideologies.

As far as I can tell, Jesus values life-long marriage, and He will bring judgement upon human political systems - liberal and conservative.

If you desire to talk more, I'm happy to do so. PM me if you want.

Hi 2zwudz, I understand your concern and appreciate the fact that you're seeking advice. Here's mine: cling to your wife, and, while you do, both of you do some serious work on what your religious faith means. Hold your politics loosely so that they don't interfere with the previous two tasks.

Since you came here seeking advice, I'll assume that you're willing to hear some (hopefully constructive) criticism. I think a large part of the problem that you are dealing with is that you (and your lovely wife) are allowing your political views to determine the meaning of your faith. Most of the respondents on this post (and many others) seem to be doing the same. It should work in the opposite direction. Having a true Christian faith means that your allegiance to Jesus is primary and ultimate and all other aspects of your life are determined by that. If you allow your political ideologies to have ultimate authority over what Christian faith looks like, over what your marriage looks like, then it would seem that politics are primary and ultimate in your life and perhaps your real religion is politics. Churches (and people) that define themselves as being politically conservative or politically liberal are giving too much authority to corrupt human systems and ideologies.

As far as I can tell, Jesus values life-long marriage, and He will bring judgement upon human political systems - liberal and conservative.

If you desire to talk more, I'm happy to do so. PM me if you want.

Hi 2zwudz, I understand your concern and appreciate the fact that you're seeking advice. Here's mine: cling to your wife, and, while you do, both of you do some serious work on what your religious faith means. Hold your politics loosely so that they don't interfere with the previous two tasks.

Since you came here seeking advice, I'll assume that you're willing to hear some (hopefully constructive) criticism. I think a large part of the problem that you are dealing with is that you (and your lovely wife) are allowing your political views to determine the meaning of your faith. Most of the respondents on this post (and many others) seem to be doing the same. It should work in the opposite direction. Having a true Christian faith means that your allegiance to Jesus is primary and ultimate and all other aspects of your life are determined by that. If you allow your political ideologies to have ultimate authority over what Christian faith looks like, over what your marriage looks like, then it would seem that politics are primary and ultimate in your life and perhaps your real religion is politics. Churches (and people) that define themselves as being politically conservative or politically liberal are giving too much authority to corrupt human systems and ideologies.

As far as I can tell, Jesus values life-long marriage, and He will bring judgement upon human political systems - liberal and conservative.

If you desire to talk more, I'm happy to do so. PM me if you want.

Hi 2zwudz, I understand your concern and appreciate the fact that you're seeking advice. Here's mine: cling to your wife, and, while you do, both of you do some serious work on what your religious faith means. Hold your politics loosely so that they don't interfere with the previous two tasks.

Since you came here seeking advice, I'll assume that you're willing to hear some (hopefully constructive) criticism. I think a large part of the problem that you are dealing with is that you (and your lovely wife) are allowing your political views to determine the meaning of your faith. Most of the respondents on this post (and many others) seem to be doing the same. It should work in the opposite direction. Having a true Christian faith means that your allegiance to Jesus is primary and ultimate and all other aspects of your life are determined by that. If you allow your political ideologies to have ultimate authority over what Christian faith looks like, over what your marriage looks like, then it would seem that politics are primary and ultimate in your life and perhaps your real religion is politics. Churches (and people) that define themselves as being politically conservative or politically liberal are giving too much authority to corrupt human systems and ideologies.

As far as I can tell, Jesus values life-long marriage, and He will bring judgement upon human political systems - liberal and conservative.

If you desire to talk more, I'm happy to do so. PM me if you want.