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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: rex123] #8557840
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Originally Posted by rex123
When was ice formed?


Dont know when but they've been around forever under their full name Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Customs has been around from the very beginning of the republic.


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: rex123] #8557859
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Originally Posted by rex123
how could there have been an ice raid 50 years ago when there was no ice.
?



Immigration’s enforcement been around for years it was not called ICE then it was Immigration and Naturalization Service. Really ?


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557863
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This battle between the States and the Feds was settled in the years right after the Civil War. The Feds won.
Of course the leftists never look to history (or the law) as a guide to anything.


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: beaverpeeler] #8557864
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
However you slice it, the majority of people who live in sanctuary states or cities overwhelmingly approve of it. In some way isn't that how politics is supposed to work? Majority rules?


A main issue is that harboring illegal aliens gives areas that do more representation in the House and Electoral College.

Keith

Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557872
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Before Obummer illegals were “arrested” detained and picked up by Immigration Enforcement in 3 days then processed by immigration. Them guys after talking with an illegal could tell you what mud hut village he was from and his real name. That was a biggest part of their job back then Obummer turned that into catch and release and nothing was said or done about it.

That story about Obummer being the great deporter is made up fuzzy math no way it’s possible if he eliminated his major resource of illegals to deport.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557885
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ICE was created in 2003 in the aftermath of 9/11.

Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8557886
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Sanctuary cities mean the city will not enforce immigration laws or cooperate with the federal govt on immigration.

Courts have ruled that immigration falls fully under the federal govt and the federal govt is fully responsible for enforcement or lack of.


this is the answer. Many years ago the federal government passed a gun law and expected State and local law enforcement to enforce it sans compensation. It did not get enforced. The feds cannot force non-federal law enforcement to enforce federal law, especially without reimbursing costs.


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557887
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Not sure how OP wants to keep this non-political when the topic and every post is political. Whatever. The term "sanctuary city" is also a loaded political term used by both sides for their respective purposes.

We have plenty of illegal Mexicans and Central Americans in Oklahoma City and throughout Oklahoma. We do not have big ICE raids even though there are parts of Oklahoma City where the catching would be easy. I would not however call Oklahoma City a "sanctuary city". I am sure they pick up some illegals but it is a tiny percentage. There are countless examples like this in Texas too. The Feds generally do not screw with Oklahoma because we are a deep red state.

For the most part our illegals work hard, do jobs lazy blacks, whites and Indians (feather) will not do, otherwise supply significant and needed labor to industries like oilfield and construction and raise their families. They shop where we shop. They go to our churches. Shut down the border but these people need a path to citizenship that is not political. Just make it happen.

To be clear, there are different kinds of illegals. All illegal Somalis, other Africans, Middle Easterners, Asians, Indians, Caribbeans, Russians and all criminal or otherwise non-productive Mexican/Central/South American illegals should be tossed. I couldn't care less where they go, but ideally it is from where they come. And, stop letting them in legally--too culturally different and too many.

I am also cool with deporting all lazy and non-productive American citizens even if they were born here--blacks, whites, Indians, whatever. Find an island and set them free on it. This is more of a dream and too tricky to actually implement--you know, that dang Constitution......Easier to just end all welfare.

Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557890
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Agencies cooperated with Immigration before as part of mutual assistance cooperation no money changed hands back then there was no need to contact the Mexico Embassy even just hold until they were picked up or told to be released but that never happened.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557894
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Illegal is illegal no matter how you try to sell it even with all my White Privilege I’ve never been able to pick and choose the laws I get to follow or not follow why would people that violated our borders get to do so then? Thats nuts!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557897
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There are people that want us replaced…and they’re doing a great job of it

…it’s just now getting to y’all up north

… but that’s what ya’ll wanted I guess


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557910
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A hypothetical for ya: Let's say you have a neighbor with a nice family and you get along great with them. Your kids play with theirs, etc. guy holds down a job that typically has lots of turnover, pays his taxes, doesn't cause problems.

Now you find out he came here 30 years ago illegally.

Do you turn him in to ICE and watch from your driveway while they haul him off?

I assume most on here would do just that...but if you didn't have the stomach for it you might just be a "sanctuaryist".


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: jeff karsten] #8557912
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
State leo's are supposed to arrest lawbreakers Who thinks an immigrant who breaks the law can only be arrested by ICE some judges let felons walk cause they didn't get "due process" they're not citizens duh No one would care if not for the millions of dollars that cities squander on keeping illegals here

There's a reason that your local PD doesn't prosecute tax evaders, and the IRS doesn't write speeding tickets.

They certainly could, I suppose, but it's not their wheelhouse.

Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557913
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…. We have to take our own side… or else there won’t be anymore jobs created for the third world to come in and take

… what will it look like when that happens?


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557917
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Get out there and procreate then Savell, with our falling birth rate we're gonna be short of ditch diggers, chicken pluckers and berry pickers.


Ummm...don't wanna sound mean so ....only if it pleases you sir.

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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557918
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Nice has nothing to do with it it’s a house built on no foundation so if I’m nice I can rob a bank but I’m nice so there’s no consequences for such action? What about the not so nice ones again you are picking and choosing it’s not realistic. Thats why we have legal immigration routes swimming here is not an option.


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: beaverpeeler] #8557921
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Get out there and procreate then Savell, with our falling birth rate we're gonna be short of ditch diggers, chicken pluckers and berry pickers.


Ummm...don't wanna sound mean so ....only if it pleases you sir.


… get rid of welfare and there’s plenty available

.. no need to import mestizos


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: beaverpeeler] #8557926
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Get out there and procreate then Savell, with our falling birth rate we're gonna be short of ditch diggers, chicken pluckers and berry pickers.


Ummm...don't wanna sound mean so ....only if it pleases you sir.

Who'll pick the cotton!?


I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, & I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve
Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557947
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Lacking facts talking feeling is just excuses to justify breaking the laws there are work visas in place have been forever at least stop parroting the BS talking point that’s solving nothing it just muddies the waters. All the what if made up talking point are just that made up.

Why not change the law if everyone wants it probably because it’s all lies to begin with the propaganda is real and working like when PC was being pushed.


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557952
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Frey … Soros .. Schumer


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