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Re: Coyote Behavior [Re: Slipknot] #8590865
Yesterday at 06:17 PM
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Southeast Louisiana
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Thank You Mr. Fales.
Thank You Tejas. I intend to get back after them as soon as I can.
Thank You Shakey. I believe I was caught early enough according to the Doctor and Test . I have another Test in a week and I am believing and Trusting God will Heal me. But if not he is Still God and I am gonna trust him.
I also thought this was a good topic and question to ask. We have a top notch group of Coyote Guys on here with a wealth of of knowledge.

Re: Coyote Behavior [Re: Slipknot] #8590878
Yesterday at 07:02 PM
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Right on SK! That’s good news, you’re gonna be all fine.


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Re: Coyote Behavior [Re: TEJAS] #8590890
Yesterday at 07:36 PM
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Nebraska
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Originally Posted by TEJAS


Originally Posted by silkyplainscoyot
I have read Kirk's book. I believe he has some very valid points. It has to do with EMF, Electromagnetic fields put off by metal. There are a lot of variables to consider though. The further north you go and the dryer the soil it's not going to transmit as much. Also, he found that better qualities of metal didn't put off a high field reading. So many may have not experienced many problems depending on where they live, soil conditions and the brand of trap, they used. He even stated it's a learned behavior not something they are born with. So, it's the older adult animals that would more than likely be the culprits.

I do believe animals can detect it and that may be the case as why some digging occurs with a trap bedded in front of a bait/lure test.


SPC, one of the things that makes the magnetic field theory hard to buy into for me is the extensive list of variables that can and do illicit the same exact response.
I don’t see how this theory could be singled out as the primary suspect amongst a lineup of known repeat offenders.

Then you have a host of conductive minerals called "Hot" rocks that will trip a metal detector just like a steel trap would.
If a coyote can indeed notice these magnetic fields, how could he isolate a handful of steel traps amongst thousands of acres of conductive mineral rocks ?

Now I understand there are places void of these conductive minerals as well. Maybe that is the caveat. It is certainly not the case here,
The area I trap is very rich in iron deposits. You cannot make a single sweep with the metal detector coil without it going off in most cases.
Maybe that along with dry conditions is why I don’t have any trouble.

Come to think of it I always thought the old theory that a coyote can detect the oxidation of the trap with his nose could be plausible.

Either way they are very interesting subjects that warrant more study.




I understand the variables could bring up questions. That's why for the most part I don't think it affects trappers to an extent be concerned with it. But I guess I'm not ready to discredit the fact that some animals can detect it. Maybe certain animals more than others.

I know a lot of Kirk's testing was probably geared more towards Beaver and he felt it really gave him the upper hand on those educated adult ones. Then when you're targeting animals with the use of cages, I would imagine it would generate a greater emf in that area.

Here's the forward to his book stating the testing that was done:

My findings based on infield testing, observation, real-time video, research periodicals, scientific studies, and reading trappers experiences with the devices mentioned. This work was done over 23 years trapping professionally. During this time, I experimented with body grip traps, round and standard, of various sizes. Snares and foothold traps were used of several sizes and snare lock types. Testing was done with experience from over 120 different cage trap designs, many having multiple sizes in length, width, and height, as well as trigger design. They were square, round, rectangle, triangle, and pyramid in shape. This included doors that locked with rings, powered and not. Traps with powered saloon-style doors on each end. Guillotine doors of various designs. Many had swing-down powered lock bar doors combined with some traps that had at least three different door designs on the same trap. Triggers on the cage traps used have been multiple numbers of pan designs to over six different wire trigger styles and type. Using trapping devices over 18,000 animals were caught, in the wild, and over 60,000 sets were made. During a 13 year period, of the 23 years, over 400 locations were set each year. More than one hundred thousand acres were accessed and over 14,000 animals were caught. In most of the 13 years, the bulk of trapping was done, in less than 120 days, with a 24hr check. 95% of the work that was done removing animals was Animal Damage Control. It wasn’t until a magnetometer was purchased that the way the animals were responding to set traps and hunting/ trapping devices made complete sense. For almost four years, I suspected, with very strong beliefs, but never could prove scientifically. I was always given doubt, from my findings, by respected professionals that I thought had the same experiences I had and the ability to interpret them. Concentrating on “the most effective traps”, the only thing they “all” had in common was a decrease in magnetic field intensity and a larger percentage of adult animals being caught in the traps with fewer refusals.

Re: Coyote Behavior [Re: Slipknot] #8590911
Yesterday at 08:04 PM
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I’m guessing this book is called AN OUTDOORSMAN'S GREATEST DISCOVERY FOR THE 21ST CENTURY?
Sounds interesting. Figured it should be a good read and worth ordering.


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Re: Coyote Behavior [Re: Shakeyjake] #8590951
Yesterday at 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
I’m guessing this book is called AN OUTDOORSMAN'S GREATEST DISCOVERY FOR THE 21ST CENTURY?
Sounds interesting. Figured it should be a good read and worth ordering.


That's it. It's interesting and makes you think about some things. I'm not sure it's going to be a game changer for you but if you want to understand it a little more in detail then it's ok. I loaned the book out a few years back and never have got it back or bothered to pick it up.

Re: Coyote Behavior [Re: Slipknot] #8590963
Yesterday at 09:28 PM
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Kirks idea could be right on but like human scent to a degree, in that we cant eliminate it so we just have to work around it and it could definitely have more bearing on cage traps or maybe to a lesser degree snares where the target animal has to enter the magnetic field with its whole body other that just place its foot on it....??? Just food for thought.

I will add that in my testing the more dirt we put over a foothold trap the less detectable on a guasse meter the magnetic field is

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Re: Coyote Behavior [Re: TEJAS] #8590983
Yesterday at 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TEJAS




YS,, I believe most trappers gravely underestimate how good of a memory a coyote has..




I used to think if you just backed off a screwed up coyote for a few weeks, give them room to breath, time to wind down, that they’d “forget”.



Now I feel an experienced coyote never truly forgets.

They may let their guard down (briefly), or take a calculated risk at some point that doesn’t work out for them, but they don’t “forget”.

Re: Coyote Behavior [Re: Boone Liane] #8590987
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
Originally Posted by TEJAS




YS,, I believe most trappers gravely underestimate how good of a memory a coyote has..




I used to think if you just backed off a screwed up coyote for a few weeks, give them room to breath, time to wind down, that they’d “forget”.



Now I feel an experienced coyote never truly forgets.

They may let their guard down (briefly), or take a calculated risk at some point that doesn’t work out for them, but they don’t “forget”.

My naive approach to catching them is to let them dig out every set i make for a year or two to the point they get so confident and conditioned to digging just one trap out that I can back door them with a second trap..... im a slow but determined learner... lol

Re: Coyote Behavior [Re: Slipknot] #8591079
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So what makes an "effective" trap have less magnetic field intensity?

Type of steel?, certain models"?, heck, they're all steel...

Re: Coyote Behavior [Re: Slipknot] #8591142
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Tejas I do a lot of testing in the same areas I trap.. and i have had my share of diggers. In actuality probably more than my share. I can make all the test sets I want on a location and never get a coyote digging for a trap but have set a trap in the same location and have got dug. I have made over a thousand test sets and to my memory have never had a coyote digging around looking for a trap. Ive even made a trap bed at a fair number of test sets to see if it was the loose dirt and no digging. I do agree coyotes definitely can get smart to where the trap normally gets placed and have caught what I believe was diggers by placing a second trap out of the normal position but I dont think from my experience that is the soul reason or I should be getting dug at test sets also. Ive never had a coyote dig looking for a trap at a test set if there wasn't a trap there. So im thinking theres more to the story. What's your thoughts to what I've seen.


I have sung the “Digging Coyote Blues” more than I would like to admit as well YS.
Without seeing your standard routine, it would be very tough to come up with a credible answer of any kind.
And even then it would most likely be tough to nail down.

If you made thousands of mock sets and were not dug up on a single one then you would think there would be a good explanation behind the anomaly.
Perhaps there is a part of your real set routine the coyotes have picked up on somehow.

After many rounds with a long list of primarily adult female diggers,
I found one blanket solution for the whole lot of them.

If you remove, all potential reasons for digging the mayhem will usually stop.

Those reasons include but may not be limited to:

certain attractants
set looks & construction
how attractants are applied
fresh dirt smell in trap bed

When I made this adjustment, the digs came to an abrupt halt for good.
I cannot recall the last time I walked up on a dig at ground zero, much less an exposed trap.







Re: Coyote Behavior [Re: Slipknot] #8591146
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How are you removing the fresh dirt smell in the trap bed? I know in the right conditions you can pound in a bed rather than dig it, but you still need to cover the trap.

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