Problem with it turning to glass is like California falling into the ocean. To many of the residents have moved and started spreading the virus enough it cant be contained at this point.

Can someone explain to me why the US doesn't kill the people who are keeping this shipping channel closed? Seems like a simple fix to me

Dig a new canal using bunker busters.

Good

Seems to be in the works. Its hard ro get all the stuff that can sink ships that spread out and hidden. Also hard to kill off all the die hards thinking they are doing their gods work fighting the great evil from the west. Get great rewards for dieing doing it. It only takes a hand full with axcess to weapons. Drones that fly or run under water rockets missiles mines or crewed boats full of explosives.

Just the threat has had insurance carriers say they won't insure and ships going through the strait. I believe the insurance in shipping is bases in the UK and was one of their powerful levers they had left. I read Trump singed something saying the US would back the insurance on ships effectively removing the UK relivence on insuring ships they have held for centuries.

Insurance is important not just for the cargo and ship but ships won't be allowed in ports if not insured.

At least this is my take away from a little reading last week. May not be 100% correct its didn't do a deep dive and make sure the article oe my interpretation of it 0was 100% accurate.

I'm sure their intel team is working on it right now.

mission creep
noun
(politics, military, idiomatic) Gradual expansion of the objectives, scope, and/or cost of a military mission without careful planning.

I’ve not read all reply’s, sorry if I repeat.

The strait of Hormuz is deemed a transit passageway, open to all and passage shall not be impeded nor suspended by anyone according to UNCLOS. ( United Nations edict/law)
Accordingly, the United Nations should be protecting passage for shipping, and it should be moving as usual.

If the US were in a war with Hawaii, example being an ocean involved, neither side has the right to attack other nations shipping/passage which is not involved, nor bears reinforcement to either side.

Once again NATO proves itself pretty much useless at the people’s expense.

Osky

We won't open the Strait of Hormuz because we can't. We can get out of the Gulf, close all our bases and let the Gulf States pay a transit fee to Iran for every ship. In that way it gets reopened but not this year probably. Every other scenario keeps it closed longer. After the midterms Trump gets impeached and this time convicted and maybe that lowers the tension a little. Ultimately this is what happens whether we like it or not.

A few more days for Iran to decide .........death or open the straight


Probably both

…. How many times has that deadline been moved already ?

I do not believe the US has closed the strait, please source that info.
Tankers or any other ships can go thru right now if they want, it’s reported some have. Iran is threatening shipping and commercial transit, charging illegal tolls which doesn’t mean your clearance free to go thru shipping is afraid of Iranian attacks. The US is not attacking shipping.

Osky

Number of times. An end is wanted, the other side says “no mas” we wanna talk, you stop and talk. They start up again you respond.
Never been in a bar fight where enough is enough but the other side just won’t stay down? I have it’s ridiculous but is what it is.

Osky

50 years....


I don't think this president is going to announce it......stay tuned

… antigov .. he’s moved the deadline specific to what you stated 2 or 3 times in the past few weeks

… not sure what the 50 years you’re talking about means

Good point Anti….

I'm pretty sure the war is basically over and Iran is done. At least that is what has been said dating back to early March.

We already did what we wanted to accomplish, allow the straight to be closed is Iran’s given win, the off ramp where they save face. Means very little to us. The opposition has taken the bait and will talk about it nonstop until the Trump card is played right before the midterms.

As for our soldiers, they’ve been training for this since they volunteered and sitting on the bench. Anybody who thinks they don’t want to be on the field in the game is past the age to have an opinion about it.

The pause is giving them a chance to cry Uncle

And us to determine if it's a fake Uncle or not

I'm guessing another round of HAMMER is coming soon

…. The threat is the US will target their energy

… iran will likely respond by attacking Saudi energy

… oil in the $ 200’s in that scenario