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Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: yotetrapper30] #8591845
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That strait is only 40km or miles across. I ain't no navy guy, but there's no way Iran could close it with the amount of US firepower in the region. Some are crying for help from NATO? Cmon man, you think a few countries helping out would get the ships rolling? Looks like another little skirmish that only had week one planned out. Time to put the big boy pants on and get it done, finish what you started......lol


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Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: Osky] #8591849
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Originally Posted by Osky
Originally Posted by humptulips
We won't open the Strait of Hormuz because we can't. We can get out of the Gulf, close all our bases and let the Gulf States pay a transit fee to Iran for every ship. In that way it gets reopened but not this year probably. Every other scenario keeps it closed longer. After the midterms Trump gets impeached and this time convicted and maybe that lowers the tension a little. Ultimately this is what happens whether we like it or not.


I do not believe the US has closed the strait, please source that info.
Tankers or any other ships can go thru right now if they want, it’s reported some have. Iran is threatening shipping and commercial transit, charging illegal tolls which doesn’t mean your clearance free to go thru shipping is afraid of Iranian attacks. The US is not attacking shipping.

Osky

Misunderstanding. The Straits are closed because of the war and lack of insurance. Sure anybody can take a chance on going through but they risk their ship and cargo except Chinese tankers. Iran is letting them pass. The US cannot change that. If we leave that may ease up over time. No where did I say the US is attacking shipping.

Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: Shakeyjake] #8591851
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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
That strait is only 40km or miles across. I ain't no navy guy, but there's no way Iran could close it with the amount of US firepower in the region. Some are crying for help from NATO? Cmon man, you think a few countries helping out would get the ships rolling? Looks like another little skirmish that only had week one planned out. Time to put the big boy pants on and get it done, finish what you started......lol

The narrowness is why it is so easy for Iran to close it with mines and missiles.

Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: danny clifton] #8591853
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
good video

If you didn't laugh at it you have very little sense of humor.

Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: AntiGov] #8591854
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
The Ai tech and unmanned weaponry is very interesting.....

I watched a segment on the tube the other day , a Ukrainian military official was explaining their massive increase in drone usage and production

He said with this technology they have the cost down to under $1000 per dead Russian soldier


Incredible, that's 188,000,000,000 dead Russians just from the money the U.S has supplied.


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Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: Providence Farm] #8591856
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by danny clifton
good video


Iran should hire Canada. wink

I dont think I would want another state that votes blue, is accepting of the restrictions as they are.

Perfect......we don't want to have to put a name tag and licence number on our traps, follow a 24 hr check requirement, get permits to trap public land, submerge big conibears etc..We like to be able to trap fisher for 4 months, not 3 weeks, pack around shotguns with barrels less than 18", ride atvs on public lands and forests that are managed for hunting, not having to report harvested deer etc
Those dang restrictions. lol

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Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: yotetrapper30] #8591857
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Made me laugh. (video)


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: KeithC] #8591865
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Originally Posted by KeithC
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if its our enginering why do ours cost somuchmore?


Because we hold it to lower tolerances. We allow less failures. We could build cheaper, but we have rules preventing it. Ukraine is building just good enough.

Keith


I figured it was all the kick backs and money laundering bringing the price up.

Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8591878
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by AntiGov
The Ai tech and unmanned weaponry is very interesting.....

I watched a segment on the tube the other day , a Ukrainian military official was explaining their massive increase in drone usage and production

He said with this technology they have the cost down to under $1000 per dead Russian soldier


Incredible, that's 188,000,000,000 dead Russians just from the money the U.S has supplied.

Im guessing they aren't billing us at their cost. Lol

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Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: yotetrapper30] #8591881
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If you subtract out the biden kick backs , it's not near that many dead Russians

They became more efficient with the lack of hand outs


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Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: AntiGov] #8591897
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
If you subtract out the biden kick backs , it's not near that many dead Russians

They became more efficient with the lack of hand outs


Lack of handouts since when, exactly?


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Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: yotetrapper30] #8591905
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Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: yotetrapper30] #8591910
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After months of intense congressional debate, Congress passed and the president signed into law a $61 billion aid package for Ukraine.


https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-ukraine-aid-package-and-what-does-it-mean-future-war


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Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: rvsask] #8591936
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Originally Posted by humptulips
Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
The narrowness is why it is so easy for Iran to close it with mines and missiles.



Copy that, makes sense. Drones and I believe the mines are dormant and can be activated……electronically I guess.

Originally Posted by rvsask
[quote=Providence Farm] Iran should hire Canada. wink

I dont think I would want another state that votes blue, is accepting of the restrictions as they are.

Perfect......we don't want to have to put a name tag and licence number on our traps, follow a 24 hr check requirement, get permits to trap public land, submerge big conibears etc..We like to be able to trap fisher for 4 months, not 3 weeks, pack around shotguns with barrels less than 18", ride atvs on public lands and forests that are managed for hunting, not having to report harvested deer etc
Those dang restrictions. lol


lol…..you saw the irony in that statement.
We’ve got a lot of restrictions, but when it comes to trapping……some of the regs down there are completely ridiculous.
I get the odd job offer in the US and the wage is quite lucrative, but then I think, “what about my trapping?” In the end, the moneys not worth giving up what I got here. I don’t mind coming down to blow some cash though!……lol

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Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: yotetrapper30] #8591940
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The irony was easy to see Shakey!

Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: yotetrapper30] #8592032
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U.A.E. Wants to Force Hormuz Open and Is Willing to Join the Fight

The United Arab Emirates is preparing to help the U.S. and other allies open the Strait of Hormuz by force, Arab officials said, a move that would make it the first Persian Gulf country to become a combatant, after being hit by Iranian attacks.

The U.A.E. is lobbying for a United Nations Security Council resolution that would authorize such action, the officials said. Emirati diplomats have urged the U.S. and military powers in Europe and Asia to form a coalition to open the strait by force, a U.A.E official said, adding that the Iranian regime thinks it is fighting for its existence and is willing to bring the global economy down with it in a chokehold on the strait.

The U.A.E. official said the country was actively reviewing how it could play a military role in securing the strait, including efforts to help clear it of mines and other support services.

The Gulf state has also said the U.S. should occupy islands in the strategic waterway including Abu Musa, which has been held by Iran for a half-century and is claimed by the U.A.E., some of the Arab officials said.

In a statement, the U.A.E. Foreign Ministry pointed to a separate resolution passed by the U.N. condemning Iran’s attacks on its cities and to one made by another U.N. body, the International Maritime Organization, condemning the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

The Emirati Foreign Ministry said there is “broad global consensus that freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz must be preserved.”

Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states are now turning against Iran’s regime and want the war to continue until it is disabled or toppled, Arab officials said, though they have stopped short of committing their military. Bahrain, a close U.S. ally that hosts the Navy’s Fifth Fleet, is sponsoring the U.N. resolution, with a vote expected Thursday.

The U.A.E.’s newly assertive approach is a fundamental shift in its strategic outlook, said officials from a Persian Gulf state. The U.A.E.’s commercial center, Dubai, has long financed the Iranian regime. Emirati diplomats were racing to mediate between the U.S. and Iran before the war, an effort that included a visit to Abu Dhabi by Ali Larijani, an Iranian national-security official who later died in an airstrike.

Now, the Gulf state is falling into line with President Trump’s push for allies to carry more of the burden in the war, particularly to help open the Strait of Hormuz. The Wall Street Journal has reported that Trump has told aides that he is willing to end the war without reopening the strait, leaving the matter to other countries.

U.A.E. participation in freeing the strait carries risks. Positioning itself as a belligerent against Iran could set the stage for tension that outlasts the end of the war.

Iran has reacted by stepping up its bombardments of the U.A.E. After proceeding at a low level for weeks, Iran’s missile and drone attacks on the Emirates have risen sharply in recent days, including nearly 50 ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and drones on Tuesday. Tehran warned it would destroy the vital civilian infrastructure of any Gulf state that supported any operation to seize its territory and specifically pointed to the U.A.E.

“They could step into this war only to face a more aggressive Iran, continue to absorb hits to critical infrastructure and potentially investor confidence, and then struggle to rebuild ties with their neighbor, particularly if Trump elects to declare victory before reopening the strait or crippling Iran’s missile and drone capabilities,” Elizabeth Dent, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and a former official who focused on the Gulf at the Pentagon, said of the dilemma faced by countries in the region.

Iran has rained down more missiles and drones on the U.A.E.—almost 2,500 thus far—than it has aimed at any other country including Israel. Nonetheless, the U.A.E., like the rest of the Gulf region, had long tried to avoid defining itself as a combatant.

The Gulf officials said the country’s position has now changed. Before the war began Feb. 28, the U.A.E. saw Iran as a difficult neighbor with a logic to its political positions, one of the officials said. But the outbreak of the war revealed a very different regime that was trying to sow panic with strikes on hotels and airports in Dubai, the official said.

The Iranian strikes have reduced the U.A.E.’s air traffic and tourism, hurt its property market and led to a wave of furloughs and layoffs. They have also challenged the country’s fundamental selling point—that it is an oasis of peace in a rough neighborhood.

The U.A.E. has countered in part with tough financial measures. A notice on Dubai’s Emirates airline said Iranian nationals aren’t allowed to enter or transit the country, a step that followed government moves to close the Iranian Hospital and Iranian Club Dubai.

The Emirates’ new posture is most evident in efforts to reopen the Strait of Hormuz—a lifeline for its energy exports, shipping business and food. Gulf officials said the U.A.E. believes countries in Asia and Europe that are reluctant now would help clear the strait with the blessing of the U.N. Security Council.

Russia and China could veto the resolution, and France is proposing a different version. Even if the resolution fails, the U.A.E. would still be prepared to join the war effort, the Gulf officials said.

Iran is insisting on permanent oversight including a system of tolls. The Gulf states fear any diplomatic resolution would implicitly give Iran a formal say over the administration of the waterway and want it dislodged by military action first, the Arab officials said.

It isn’t clear that military action could open the strait. Any operation would require controlling not just the waterway but also the territory along its 100-mile length, potentially with ground troops, military analysts said.

“I don’t think we can do it,” said Rep. Adam Smith (D., Wash.), the ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee. “All Iran has to do is be able to keep the strait under threat, which means they need one drone, they need one mine, they need one small suicide boat.”

Gulf states that support military action feel that the consequences of having a hostile neighbor controlling such a vital conduit make it worth the risk, the Arab officials said.

A decision to join the military campaign would send a public signal of Arab support for the war, said Bilal Saab, a fellow at Chatham House and a former Pentagon adviser on the Middle East. It would also open up additional options for operations against Iran and for attempting to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

The U.A.E. has bases, a deep-water port at Jebel Ali and a location near the entrance to the Strait of Hormuz that could be useful staging grounds for a U.S.-led operation to seize islands or to escort commercial tankers through the waterway.

It also has a small but capable air force with U.S.-supplied F-16 jet fighters that conducted airstrikes in Iraq alongside the U.S. in the fight against Islamic State.

The Emirates also has surveillance drones and a stockpile of U.S.-supplied bombs and short-range missiles that could help ease U.S. and Israeli shortages.

“The proximity along the strait means that you can team up and place different platforms there to protect shipping and go after Iranian targets on the other side of the Gulf,” said Grant Rumley, a senior fellow at the Washington Institute, a think tank.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-ea...BV&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


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Re: Strait of Hormuz [Re: yotetrapper30] #8592042
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Why is all the attention given to the straight of Hermuz, what about the gays of Hermuz?

https://www.facebook.com/theskindoc...ng-about-the-gays-of-ho/981571844226629/

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