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Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601472
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Originally Posted by spjones
Shakey,,,,,No shortage of bias in that article

Fill us in. Are those not facts or is he leaving important detail out?
It’s hard to say what’s going on unless you get it from someone outside looking in. You’ll get different answers depending on how that person leans.

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Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: Savell] #8601474
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Originally Posted by Savell
If I remember correctly… when I was over there … the Albertans weren’t fond of Quebecans … pakis … and especially newfies lol


Lol. Still not fond of them and pretty hard to beat a pil in a glass bottle right outta the ice

Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601477
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It’s diffently has a federal bias

They try to blame trumpster’s tariffs as reason for increasing sediment,,,

Tommy the commie’s petition didn’t require photo ID,,,,, anyone could sign it, more than once,,,



The quote from Mitch,,,, and then “raises questions,,,”

The stay from the court is a nothing burger,,,,


The negative economic impacts of the separation movement is total bull sh t


Tombe is a self proclaimed federalist,,,,,


I’m actually surprised they didn’t get Jason Kenney in on the article,,,lol












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Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601485
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Originally Posted by spjones
Shakey,,,,,No shortage of bias in that article


Seems pretty spot on to me.
Unsure where the polls were done but there'll be different results from different areas. From what I hear is the ucp is about 60% FOR independence. I think there is a whole bunch of closet separatists. Lukasics petition didn't involve the scrutiny that stay free alberta has had. Many people left mad because of mail box as a address and didn't return to sign. I don't know how many people I know that are for separation but I are definitely against and 2 fence sitters. Maybe the other dozens are lieing that they are for? The hutterites are behind it. Sounds like many of the church groups are behind it. One thing that amazes me is I don't know one veteran that is against independence. 12/12 veterans including myself are for. They all have pretty much the same story that the Canada we stood for is no longer the Canada of today.

Just got done a meeting with Mitch Sylvester and due to the natives injunction we will be buying membership in the UCP to have the premier force a referendum. It is also suggested to buy a NDP membership which if everyone does we'll ruin those things.

Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601486
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It mentions that petitions are pretty meaningless as they’re too easily manipulated. Same with polls. Having the US as your trading partner? That will not be all roses……lol. I thought he was leaning towards it happening. There’s a lot of negative potential outcomes that are omitted and this guys pretty tame. He does leave out the positive that could happen, maybe he doesn’t see them or does he have to look too hard to find them. That’s not a good sign.
It’s BS to some, but it’s hard for someone who’s got skin in the game not to slip their narrative in, and leave important stuff out. I’ve seen too many that completely ignore facts that they know are true, to hang on to a dream and sink with the ship.
Even if Quebecs referendum had passed to separate, it would’ve never happened. If any good can come of this, maybe Ottawa will start looking west. Now if BC (not happening), Sask (better chances) and poor ole Mb (never happen) would all talk separation……that’d get some attention in Ottawa.


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Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601489
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I just got back from turkey hunting,,,

I haven’t heard Mitch say that,,,, but it’s not a bad idea

Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601494
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Shakey,,,

Nobody thinks it will be easy,,, and all roses

The alternative is very horrific

There are actually no negatives to a independent Alberta

There has yet to be a single reason presented to albertans, on why Alberta should remain in Canada

Citizen led petitions are very powerful in a true democracy

The US won’t be our only trading partner,,,, but it’s certainly our biggest





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Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601497
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So, I've been following this although not very closely. Explain it to me like I am 5. What has to happen from where you are now for Alberta to secede from Canada?


Gotta find a way, a better way, I'd better wait

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you
Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601498
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Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601500
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Well, according to AI..... it's a pipe dream. Thought AI might be a tad biased like it is when you ask about American political issues.

Direct answer
From where Alberta is today, for secession to actually “succeed” in a lawful, durable way, you’d need:

A court‑proof, clear referendum with a strong Yes.

Federal recognition of that clarity and entry into good‑faith negotiations.

Resolution of Indigenous treaty rights and territorial issues, likely with First Nations at the table as full parties.

Constitutional amendments passed by Parliament and enough provinces (possibly all).

A comprehensive separation treaty covering assets, borders, debt, citizenship, and institutions.

International recognition, starting with Canada itself.

Anything short of that is more “constitutional crisis and long‑term limbo” than clean break.


Gotta find a way, a better way, I'd better wait

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Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601501
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…. We’ve tossed it around a few times in Texas to no avail

… now we’re outnumbered by Mescins so it’ll never happen


Insert profound nonsense here
Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601503
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Whatever happens, the most interesting thing I’ve read on the post regards the Hutterites. I am not sure what to think regarding that, I guess I’m skepticsl as Hutterites are pacifists that avoid politics and voting and strongly believe in separation of church and state. As strong pacifists they are more worried about their communal life and the freedom to live the way in which they do. I personally can’t see them wanting to jump off the train that has allowed them to accumulate massive land ownership and wealth.

Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601504
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He said it last week at canvassers meeting and again today. We have zoom meeting every Monday. A fund raising campaign is next to combat liberal media and get our message out. Its a $10 year fee. Pretty cheap to make history.

Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601505
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It’s very doable,,,,, definitely not a pipe dream

Newfound land joined confederation with 52% vote,,,,

Negotiations won’t be problem,,,,,, we’re not asking for permission

The FN’s would be much better off in a independent Alberta

Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: rvsask] #8601512
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Whatever happens, the most interesting thing I’ve read on the post regards the Hutterites. I am not sure what to think regarding that, I guess I’m skepticsl as Hutterites are pacifists that avoid politics and voting and strongly believe in separation of church and state. As strong pacifists they are more worried about their communal life and the freedom to live the way in which they do. I personally can’t see them wanting to jump off the train that has allowed them to accumulate massive land ownership and wealth.


I maybe all wet here but in the US presidential election many Amish in PA voted for Trump.
I think the Amish are like the Huts for the same reasons as you mention.

As I understand it they were convinced to vote due to many of the Lefts positions that fly in the face of their beliefs not to mention the lefts open disdain for religious people.

left = Democrat

Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601514
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The Hutterites are very freedom oriented and are all on board Alberta independence

Even they can see the writing on the wall, as far as the future of Canada

Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601515
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Don't know how to multi quote
The AI isn't wrong but its not right. We are in the process of a referendum petition in which we need 10% to make it happen
There is some legal mumble gumble that those that can decipher say it will work. I have yet to hear a against lawyer say it can't
There is a few native chiefs that seem to be throwing a monkey wrench into this but regardless everyone eligible albertan will get a chance to have his/her ballot counted.
Negotiations in good faith we'll see what happens there.
UN international law says recognition by 2 independent countries. US and Isreal because our clown recognized Palestine as a independent state. Pay back. Lol

You know truly is to bad about Texas and we got Syrians Somalian and whatever barehandedass wiping country you can imagine.

The hutterites are afraid of a religious bill coming down the pipe. As they should be.

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Originally Posted by spjones
The Hutterites are very freedom oriented and are all on board Alberta independence

Even they can see the writing on the wall, as far as the future of Canada


I suspect Canada making it a crime to say from the pulpit that gay and transgender is a sin, has an effect on their thinking. So much for religious freedom.

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I’m not sure if some of you know what Hutterites actually are……lol. To sway them to the voting booth will take a lot more than fear mongering.
Originally Posted by spjones
Shakey,,,

Nobody thinks it will be easy,,, and all roses

The alternative is very horrific

There are actually no negatives to a independent Alberta

There has yet to be a single reason presented to albertans, on why Alberta should remain in Canada

Citizen led petitions are very powerful in a true democracy

The US won’t be our only trading partner,,,, but it’s certainly our biggest





If you can’t see not one negative, I don’t believe you’re looking at the big picture.
In the end, I think this will be good, with the west getting some attention.


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Re: Alberta independence update,,,, [Re: spjones] #8601596
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Not sure if the Hutterite comment was meant for me?

I can assure you that they are supporters,,,

Point out one negative,,,

Give one legit reason Alberta should remain in Canada?

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