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Oregon beaver trappers #8611317
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As most of us know, the Game Commission will meet in June to adopt new rules for the upcoming biennial.

ODFW was tasked with writing up a proposal for the implementation of 3932, the ban of beaver trapping on public lands with impaired waterways. Just a heads up on some of this:

First off, we had been told only beaver trapping would be banned, but the ODFW proposal now includes otter as well! The reasoning being for ease of enforcement, and by the fact that it will coincide with rules already in place that ban otter trapping where beaver trapping is not allowed. (No mention on nutria trapping btw, lol).

There is a little bit of good news though. According to our Furbearer Coordinator Sam Fino, on navigable waterways (as determined by the State of Oregon) beaver trapping will be allowed up to the mean high water mark EVEN if the adjacent land is public and normally subject to the ban.

AN interactive map will be made available to trappers to zoom in on your areas of concern to see what is off limits. Probably in early June a few of us trappers will meet with Sam and take a look at what they have come up with and put in our 2 cents worth.

I'm told that the proposed rules are already pretty much set in stone so not much we can do there. Some areas of the state will certainly be hit hard with the implementation of 3932. For me personally very little of what I normally trap will be impacted as I understand things.

I'm hoping very much that Sam has it right about being able to trap to the high water line on navigable waters! It seems like there is still some level of confusion on everybody's part.

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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611381
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Just go trap like you always did.
Nobodys gonna bother with all that nonsense.


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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611398
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Could it be any more complicated. I have never heard of a mean high water mark. There is a high water mark and there's a mean water level but what is a mean high water mark?

Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: Boco] #8611401
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Originally Posted by Boco
Just go trap like you always did.
Nobodys gonna bother with all that nonsense.

Another good beaver trapper I know already got checked by a game warden and asked if he was aware of the new law and trapping accordingly. It's state law and will be enforced.


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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: walleye101] #8611403
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Could it be any more complicated. I have never heard of a mean high water mark. There is a high water mark and there's a mean water level but what is a mean high water mark?

The definition is that portion of a natural body of water that lies below bankful conditions. Anything above bankful begins to inundate the uplands.


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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611406
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Originally Posted by walleye101
Could it be any more complicated. I have never heard of a mean high water mark. There is a high water mark and there's a mean water level but what is a mean high water mark?

The definition is that portion of a natural body of water that lies below bankful conditions. Anything above bankful begins to inundate the uplands.

Ah, Oregon speak for bankful condition. Anything above that we call floodstage.

Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611407
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Originally Posted by Boco
Just go trap like you always did.
Nobodys gonna bother with all that nonsense.

Another good beaver trapper I know already got checked by a game warden and asked if he was aware of the new law and trapping accordingly. It's state law and will be enforced.

He should have asked the warden if he had a good dental plan cause he may need it.


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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611408
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And here I thought that the most peaceful among us had been sent up north after the revolution. lol


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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611410
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The water went down on this one today,if I was in Oregon would I lose my trapground?

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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611412
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I think you’re misunderstanding my post. Nice beaver by the way!

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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611415
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The new interpretation is that even if a certain stretch of waterway is off limits to beaver trapping (technically) you can still trap them on navigable waterways if your trap is placed somewhere below the bankful stage of the river.
Nothing to do with water dropping and leaving your set exposed.


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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611416
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My point was It sounds unenforceable.How are you supposed to know where some arbitrary future or past waterline is.
Be easy to win in court.

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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611418
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If you're trapping up to as high as the water goes without flowing out into a farmers field you're golden. But just on what has been deemed navigable waterways by the state of Oregon. A small win for us.


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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611421
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So if the water is 5 feet deep in the farmers field if your beaver float is out where the bank is 5 feet underwater you are good?
And how are you or the gamewarden supposed to know exactly where that bank is when its under 5 feet of water?


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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611428
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It is an unfortunate and unneeded law forced onto Oregon trappers by Democrats. Just making it hard for trappers to go out and do what they have been doing for 100s of years. Death by a thousand cuts. A severe gun control bill just passed the Minnesota Senate. Every Democrat in the Senate voted for it, even the out state Democrats where the legislation is very unpopular. Every Republican voted against it. It is a reasonable assumption that Democrats have no respect for and in fact hate rural America and our way of life.

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Originally Posted by Boco
My point was It sounds unenforceable.How are you supposed to know where some arbitrary future or past waterline is.
Be easy to win in court.

Not if your violence ends up causing the GW some dental problems..smh!


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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8611449
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Originally Posted by Gerald Schmitt
It is an unfortunate and unneeded law forced onto Oregon trappers by Democrats. Just making it hard for trappers to go out and do what they have been doing for 100s of years. Death by a thousand cuts. A severe gun control bill just passed the Minnesota Senate. Every Democrat in the Senate voted for it, even the out state Democrats where the legislation is very unpopular. Every Republican voted against it. It is a reasonable assumption that Democrats have no respect for and in fact hate rural America and our way of life.


^^^This.


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Originally Posted by Gerald Schmitt
It is an unfortunate and unneeded law forced onto Oregon trappers by Democrats. Just making it hard for trappers to go out and do what they have been doing for 100s of years. Death by a thousand cuts. A severe gun control bill just passed the Minnesota Senate. Every Democrat in the Senate voted for it, even the out state Democrats where the legislation is very unpopular. Every Republican voted against it. It is a reasonable assumption that Democrats have no respect for and in fact hate rural America and our way of life.

Originally Posted by Gerald Schmitt
It is an unfortunate and unneeded law forced onto Oregon trappers by Democrats. Just making it hard for trappers to go out and do what they have been doing for 100s of years. Death by a thousand cuts. A severe gun control bill just passed the Minnesota Senate. Every Democrat in the Senate voted for it, even the out state Democrats where the legislation is very unpopular. Every Republican voted against it. It is a reasonable assumption that Democrats have no respect for and in fact hate rural America and our way of life.

Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611456
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Still, Oregon trappers must count our blessings. Last state standing on the left coast that mostly have our trapping privileges intact. Notice I avoid the term “rights”. When we have our “privileges” enshrined in the state constitution I’ll change it to “rights”.


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Re: Oregon beaver trappers [Re: beaverpeeler] #8611551
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Every state owns the land under navigable water ways. Even if the land on each side is not owned by the state. Thus, mean high water is the line where state ownership may end. Alaska went thru a lawsuit or 2 to establish that here.

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